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tOSU Recruiting Discussion

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cdiddy70 said:
I was roundly shouted down long ago for questioning the Schmails kid running the primary NIL.

We need more qualified individuals involved.

We need to level the playing field and not be so arrogant as to think a kid from the south with opportunities at programs => then ours that are offering life changing money would choose OSU.

The stupid arrogance of anybody that thought this should tell you all about the intelligence and real world knowledge these dorks have.

We can survive one year but we need to get our sh&t together asap.

Soon star players from Ohio will opt out to southern programs for money. At that point we are screwed.
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This scenario can happen as soon as next year. Assuming that the Glenville pipeline will continue is very naive, and so is assuming that Scott from Springfield is a Buckeye lean is as well. I don't peronsally know these kids or their families, but if school's collective says that they will provide you and your family 7 figures to come to their school, with another 6 or 7 figures when you play, while in state OSU refuses to offer up front money and possibly a 6 figure deal when you play, its hard to combat. No matter how much of a die hard fan you are, if your kid was offered 7 figures, it'd be hard to tell them to turn that down
 
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I don’t want this but we haven’t recruited players where Day is worried about a 3 am phone call. Urban embraced those kind of players at Fla and maybe year 1 and 2 here but he eventually couldn’t handle it anymore. Harbaugh and SEC ROLL the dice if they have football talent.
 
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Onebuckfan said:
I don’t want this but we haven’t recruited players where Day is worried about a 3 am phone call. Urban embraced those kind of players at Fla and maybe year 1 and 2 here but he eventually couldn’t handle it anymore. Harbaugh and SEC ROLL the dice if they have football talent.
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What does that have to do with NIL?
Are you proposing we stock are team with kids from Arlington who "want to be buckeyes, don't need NIL, and won't be mean"?
 
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Onebuckfan said:
I don’t want this but we haven’t recruited players where Day is worried about a 3 am phone call. Urban embraced those kind of players at Fla and maybe year 1 and 2 here but he eventually couldn’t handle it anymore. Harbaugh and SEC ROLL the dice if they have football talent.
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Let's stop morality and high and mighty schtick. These are kids we're dealing with, and they sometimes make dumb mistakes. JT got an OVI, he's not a bad kid, just bad decision. There was a bb gun fight outside of a dorm when Urban was here and kids got expelled. The rape case that happened a few years back with Wint and Riep. OSU doesn't have all saints here
 
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Jaxbuck said:
and are we really going to promote the narrative that kids taking the deal for more money = they are bad kids?

Seriously?
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Exactly, I really hope everyone realizes that is a life-changing opportunity even if we don't like what it has done to CFB. I mean, I am hating what it has done to the sport (along with transfer portal rules), but on the same token I would most definitely have my own kid look at the financial aspect of the decision and if a school is just not going to even address it, then I am strongly considering other options. That could be your only opportunity at that type of money, especially with injuries.

That said, CFB is going to be fine and hopefully some common sense restrictions come into play. If not, we just have to adapt. I don't know what is actually going on with the staff...maybe they are not guaranteeing the money but are recommending contacts for NIL, in which case I fully support that. I just hope we are not ignoring the issue altogether and leaving the kids to figure it out themselves. To me, even putting aside recruiting advantages or disadvantages, that would be unfair to the recruits. They are signing contracts where they might be getting false promises, so a million dollar deal may be a one dollar deal. At least provide guidance on these deals (maybe a legal fund for lawyers to review the NIL contracts....I know, coming from a lawyer) so the kids know what they are actually signing up for.

Off my soapbox though, hoping the staff has a clear plan in order regarding NIL so we don't fall off behind those that do have a plan moving forward.
 
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RuGettinIt said:
Well, in a recently posted article on 11W Gene’s out asking the public to donate to the collectives. Interesting responses to this in the comments section.

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...hio-state-name-image-and-likeness-collectives
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It's funny because I havent seen ADs at UGA, Bama, Miami, USC, etc having problems raising money. And nor do I see their NILs having trouble getting top talent to their schools. Laugh at Miami all you want, but they have a top 3 OT, DE and TE and probably going to get another top 5 OT
 
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I'm pleasantly surprised at the comments that recruits are putting out after The Game. It may have solidified our recruiting positions by letting recruits see our interactions after a bad loss than had we won that game.

The NIL approach for us is good in my opinion with a few tweaks. Don't want to pay kids up front but they need to get the collectives more publicity and involved in the process. If kids can see what they are doing for rostered players, they can be confident that money is coming without it being guaranteed before they put on the greatest helmets in the sport
 
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Bestbuck36 said:
I'm pleasantly surprised at the comments that recruits are putting out after The Game. It may have solidified our recruiting positions by letting recruits see our interactions after a bad loss than had we won that game.

The NIL approach for us is good in my opinion with a few tweaks. Don't want to pay kids up front but they need to get the collectives more publicity and involved in the process. If kids can see what they are doing for rostered players, they can be confident that money is coming without it being guaranteed before they put on the greatest helmets in the sport
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Yea these first few years might be a little rough at points until the unchecked up front money starts to level out. Which I think it will. I'm sure the "funders" of these NIL deals at other schools will eventually get tired of giving kids a bunch of up front money only for them to bolt after a year or two. But I'm not as worried as some others when it comes to recruiting going forward.
 
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The university needs to figure out a way to siphon off money from the program and direct it to the collectives....just as an example, outsource ticket sales to a collective, allowing them to make a profit from ticket sales that could go back in the pockets of players....like I said, just an example, but you get the idea. They need to get creative in ways to take football revenue and give it back to players.
 
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The NIL stuff will weed itself out, IMO. It’s a double edged sword. A&M is the obvious example….the culture they’ve created has been horrific. You have freshmen players with tons of cash, smoking weed in opposing stadiums prior to kick-off. It’s not just the $$$ but the entitlement on top of it.

Certainly the kids deserve to be paid and I don’t really care who wants to contribute or not. I’m not the type of guy to send $50 to a group of fans I’ve never met (whatever collective you want to name) and assume they’re going to handle the funds in a perfect manner.

I do think there is something to OSU’s track record of putting players in the NFL and telling kids & their families, the blueprint to sustained wealth and development isn’t in the up front cash at 18 years old but on the backend after a long NFL career.

It’s almost a litmus test in that way. Give me the blue chip who cares less about the upfront cash and more about the development they’re going to get.

And I’m not naive….we will lose a lot of really talented players going down that path, but where it gets tricky is what you see at A&M. At 18 years old I’d have been an absolute clusterf*ck with $1M in my bank account. A lot of these kids nationally come from very low income situations where the parents don’t even know how to handle the money properly. The money they’re getting upfront in some cases may very well be ruining their futures. There’s definitely a balance the good programs will find.

Honestly, and it pains me to say it….but look at Michigan. They’ve kinda said screw the NIL game….we are going to identify character traits in recruits (a lot of 3 star players) and attack the portal for upperclassmen looking to capitalize on a final year at a powerhouse. And it’s working extremely well.
 
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