tOSU Recruiting Discussion

[cdiddy70]

Figured I'd put this here as my $.02 on recruiting going forward for OSU. Day isn't the reason that the HS kids aren't getting more in NIL, its solely the collectives. It gets frustrating constantly seeing people place blame at Day when OSU doesn't land a player because of a lack of NIL up front. And I have been on the side of not wanting to pay up front money to recruits, but there has to be something done if OSU wants to continue being in the CFP hunt. Losing players like Wilson, Okunla and Dijon Johnson due NIL hurts, but when there's a threat to even lose your in state talent because of NIL, that's where real problems arise. And there's a slippery slope from being on top of the B1G and then being in purgatory like Wisconsin or Iowa. With the NCAA sitting on their hands, I wish the OSU collectives would do more on the NIL front for recruits. In the south, their collectives don't care what they have to spend in order to land top talent, and this just isn't the same names we've constantly heard, but also teams like Ole Miss, Auburn, Florida, etc. You can't expect to beat teams if you're not playing by the same rules. The portal will help with some of those losses, but unless our collective changes their strategy, the losses will continue. It's just the sobering truth. Like Birm has alluded to: OSU boosters want to spend money to have their names on buildings, or for new community facilities, hospitals, etc. Thats noble and all, but southern schools pay to put the best product on the field and keep their roster filled with the best talent every year. If OSU is fine with winning Rose Bowls for their best years and winning an occasional B1G title then they should continue with what they're currently doing. But if they want to dominate the B1G, and annually be in the top4 in the CFP, then some changes need to be made. And unfortunately the coaches' hands are tied unless the collectives start opening their wallets for recruits and not other interests

Solid post.

My critique:
We could be at the head of NIL frontier if we were well organized and wanted to even without the well heeled blue blood old money WASPS who want their names on buildings.
OSU has the largest alumni network in the country.
The largest fan base in the country by every metric. Endowment wise we don't stack up to the Ivy's, Stanford etc - but those dorks don't care or even want good football. They take pride in blowing goats.
If the appetite and organization was in place we could be the Dodgers/Yankees of spending.
We would need to go after the passionate smaller dollar donations.
We would have millions of $'s overnight if there was a cogent well publicized plan.
I am a high net worth individual - I have no idea how to donate to these collectives.
I have no desire to donate to Jay Schottenstein. I don't trust him, I don't know how the money is spent or where it goes in detail.
I want to know how my money is going to be spent.
I have no desire giving NIL that will end up going to our laser tag team.

If there was a fund earmarked for "OSU Football Recruiting" we would rule the world.
Short of Elon starting his own fund dedicated to FB recruiting at a college of his choice.

Alas I agree if we maintain out arrogant "This is tOSU, we don't have to do that" mantra then expectations need to be reset.
And good luck funding the most sports in the country that we for some reason take great pride in with a middling FB team.

The OSU Football Twitter account could post a link to "The OSU Football Recruiting Fund Collective" and it would be a wrap.

 

[brodybuck21]

Sad trombone

 

[Jaxbuck]

Solid post.

My critique:
We could be at the head of NIL frontier if we were well organized and wanted to even without the well heeled blue blood old money WASPS who want their names on buildings.
OSU has the largest alumni network in the country.
The largest fan base in the country by every metric. Endowment wise we don't stack up to the Ivy's, Stanford etc - but those dorks don't care or even want good football. They take pride in blowing goats.
If the appetite and organization was in place we could be the Dodgers/Yankees of spending.
We would need to go after the passionate smaller dollar donations.
We would have millions of $'s overnight if there was a cogent well publicized plan.
I am a high net worth individual - I have no idea how to donate to these collectives.
I have no desire to donate to Jay Schottenstein. I don't trust him, I don't know how the money is spent or where it goes in detail.
I want to know how my money is going to be spent.
I have no desire giving NIL that will end up going to our laser tag team.

If there was a fund earmarked for "OSU Football Recruiting" we would rule the world.
Short of Elon starting his own fund dedicated to FB recruiting at a college of his choice.

Alas I agree if we maintain out arrogant "This is tOSU, we don't have to do that" mantra then expectations need to be reset.
And good luck funding the most sports in the country that we for some reason take great pride in with a middling FB team.

The OSU Football Twitter account could post a link to "The OSU Football Recruiting Fund Collective" and it would be a wrap.

Give the collective some of the revenue from the team and add a financial ROI to the investor on top of the emotional ROI?

 

[NJ-Buckeye]

Wasn't Cardale and one of the Schott's going to create the NIL of NILs operation?

 

[osuvictory1]

I think Texas A&M is the cautionary tale with NIL.

You can pay people to come, that's the easy part.

The difficult part is getting them to stay, and once they are there, go along with the program.

The easy transfer portal makes it a impossible situation.

Maybe OSU needs to take more 3 star projects in their recruiting class, so they have a steady base to fall back on.

 

[Onebuckfan]

I think Texas A&M is the cautionary tale with NIL.

You can pay people to come, that's the easy part.

The difficult part is getting them to stay, and once they are there, go along with the program.

The easy transfer portal makes it a impossible situation.

Maybe OSU needs to take more 3 star projects in their recruiting class, so they have a steady base to fall back on.

The portal is the base. Let others develop and poach. It is what it is.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I think Texas A&M is the cautionary tale with NIL.

You can pay people to come, that's the easy part.

The difficult part is getting them to stay, and once they are there, go along with the program.

The easy transfer portal makes it a impossible situation.

Maybe OSU needs to take more 3 star projects in their recruiting class, so they have a steady base to fall back on.

agree that you are going to have to find a new formula for success. I don't think anyone knows exactly what that's going to be yet but this level of uncertainty should excite the kind of people you want running your program.

If you can figure out a way to bring order from chaos, you can dominate. If you need 5 years of data to point at so you can cover your ass when you finally have to make a decision then you are going to die off.

Yet another reason I'd look at the football team as a separate entity. This NIL/transfer portal period requires a more entrepreneurial mindset. Universities are full of career bureaucrats.

 

[buckeyemania11]

I think Texas A&M is the cautionary tale with NIL.

You can pay people to come, that's the easy part.

The difficult part is getting them to stay, and once they are there, go along with the program.

The easy transfer portal makes it a impossible situation.

Maybe OSU needs to take more 3 star projects in their recruiting class, so they have a steady base to fall back on.

How many of those 3* projects now are going to be willing to sit maybe 3 years before they actually get some meaningful playing time though? When other schools come poaching after a year or two with playing time earlier. This strategy could back fire as well. Why ride the bench at Ohio State your whole career when you can go be a meaningful contributor at Iowa or Purdue?

Unless you get kids you know who are truly committed to the university. Anyone not in the 2 deep (or sometimes even then) is liable to jet after a year or two.

 

[osuvictory1]

How many of those 3* projects now are going to be willing to sit maybe 3 years before they actually get some meaningful playing time though? When other schools come poaching after a year or two with playing time earlier. This strategy could back fire as well. Why ride the bench at Ohio State your whole career when you can go be a meaningful contributor at Iowa or Purdue?

Unless you get kids you know who are truly committed to the university. Anyone not in the 2 deep (or sometimes even then) is liable to jet after a year or two.

That is the TTUN model right now. Just get guys beholden to your system for 4 to 6 years... Lol. Which is kind of working for them. Now is the talent enough to win a NC. I would say no... however... it seems to be enough to beat OSU... granted, OSU's defensive recruiting fell to crap for a 3 year span before Day kicked Coombs to the curb (which may explain the results we are seeing).

I think there needs to be a mix of both.

 

[buckeyemania11]

That is the TTUN model right now. Just get guys beholden to your system for 4 to 6 years... Lol. Which is kind of working for them. Now is the talent enough to win a NC. I would say no... however... it seems to be enough to beat OSU... granted, OSU's defensive recruiting fell to crap for a 3 year span before Day kicked Coombs to the curb (which may explain the results we are seeing).

I think there needs to be a mix of both.

Right now yes. But I get the feeling in the climate going forward that model is going to be hard to keep consistently going.

It's a bit different though in that scUM isn't bringing in the overall upper level talent that we are, so those guys who are seen as "developmental" get on the field a lot quicker than they would at Ohio State and don't just get buried after a year or two by higher talent coming in.

 

[RuGettinIt]

That is the TTUN model right now. Just get guys beholden to your system for 4 to 6 years... Lol. Which is kind of working for them. Now is the talent enough to win a NC. I would say no... however... it seems to be enough to beat OSU... granted, OSU's defensive recruiting fell to crap for a 3 year span before Day kicked Coombs to the curb (which may explain the results we are seeing).

I think there needs to be a mix of both.

TTUN just landed an OL from the portal that appears to be an immediate starter. Are they changing their model? How much NIL was it worth?

 

[buckeyemania11]

TTUN just landed an OL from the portal that appears to be an immediate starter. Are they changing their model? How much NIL was i worth?

Hariball seems to have figured out that the model has to change somewhat. When you have shakey unproven 3*/low 4* in line to fill that open OL spot, you absolutely fill it with a much better transfer if you can.

They did it this season too with the guy from Virginia whos name I won't even try to spell. Paid off big time.

 

[osuvictory1]

Hariball seems to have figured out that the model has to change somewhat. When you have shakey unproven 3*/low 4* in line to fill that open OL spot, you absolutely fill it with a much better transfer if you can.

They did it this season too with the guy from Virginia whos name I won't even try to spell. Paid off big time.

They have hit the portal for OL and DL. Worked well for the kid from UVA.

OSU needs to hit it more when it is obvious.

I think OSU is drawing these recruits in with the promise that they will be developed, and not be constantly challenged with the portal.

Compare that to TTUN's recruiting class this year and the inability to get any high stars. I am wondering if recruits lack confidence in their ability to make it in the NFL with the way the program is run. Caveat is, that anytime there are change overs in coaching staff, recruiting takes a hit the following year. So it may be a one year blip.

 

[Captain Buckeye]

Hariball seems to have figured out that the model has to change somewhat. When you have shakey unproven 3*/low 4* in line to fill that open OL spot, you absolutely fill it with a much better transfer if you can.

They did it this season too with the guy from Virginia whos name I won't even try to spell. Paid off big time.

They've been smart the last 2 years. They addressed the most important position twice now with the best player available too.

IMO you supplement with portal kids and still build a base through recruiting.

The way I see it is you build a team like you remodel your house. Put the money in important places like OT, DE and QB (master bed room and the kitchen) and then do what you can at the skill.

Is there a way to pressure these kids though to give money back if they try to leave? That seems like BS that they could keep that money.

 

[buckeyemania11]

They've been smart the last 2 years. They addressed the most important position twice now with the best player available too.

IMO you supplement with portal kids and still build a base through recruiting.

The way I see it is you build a team like you remodel your house. Put the money in important places like OT, DE and QB (master bed room and the kitchen) and then do what you can at the skill.

Is there a way to pressure these kids though to give money back if they try to leave? That seems like BS that they could keep that money.

I mean I'm sure you could, but that probably wouldn't serve well in NIL dealings with future incoming players. "That school tries to get you to give your money back if you decide to leave" is a prime negative recruiting tool.