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Tom Herman (Former Head Coach FAU Owls)

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Systems_id said:
This line of thinking is absolute insanity to me. Our offense has improved TREMENDOUSLY under Tom Herman and people already want to throw him under the bus for having one bad game (while still putting up a decent number of points) against one of the best defensive coordinators in the game. Brilliant. I, personally, hope Tom Herman is at OSU for a long time.
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First, I haven't seen a single post in this thread calling for Herman's job unless they have been deleted unbeknownst to me. Second, it is not one game...there have been serious doubts about the play calls in the last 3-4 games. If you have basically a starting NFL roster for your offense and consistently face the worst defenses in college football every week, then you are going to get results regardless. As already stated, Braxton left/right and Carlos middle was pretty much the extent of the creativity and hell, I was fine with it because it worked and you let your talent take over. But now we have a roster that is crazy talented on paper but very inexperienced and facing some major challenges. With that being said, I think the overwhelming majority of fans here are simply saying that Herman does not get blanket immunity because the offense has improved in the past 2 years and that we need to see how he responds to this very real challenge he faces.

I still really like Herman but I think he is more unproven than we realized heading into the season. I knew we were going to have significant hiccups due to a young offense and inexperience, but I think we all expected better adjustments and growth subsequent to the hiccups. It is one game this season but given the pattern that appears to be developing, I will be watching for substantial improvements over the course of the season. If not? Then I think those suggesting he might want to look at the James Madison(esque) head coaching jobs in 2015 would not be off the mark. I think it is patently premature to call for his head at this point but there HAS to be substantial improvement and adjustments by November.
 
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MD Buckeye said:
I agree that those calling for him to be fired are a bit over the top.....that being said, I'd like to see a great improvement with his in-game adjustments. I understand the Bucks, especially on O, are young, but at some point you have to stop running 5 & 7 step drops + play action when it hasn't worked all night.....
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The problem is such a vast difference in quality of opponent. Now we go into conference schedule and don't see a good opponent for the next 5 weeks. All will be forgotten. Then we will have this same conversation after the Msu game. And then we will cream ttun and then have this same freaking conversation when we lose a big bowl game. I have a terrible thought that we are going to be The team that loses the Big games.
 
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Every year we have seen a different offense for various reasons.
The Braxton offense in year one.
Year two the Braxton and Carlos Hyde offense.
Year three, this is closest to Urban's full offensive style. Speed attacking opponents in space.
That is good coaching adapting to the players you have. Herman is doing what Urban wants him to do.
When you lose it's natural to question why. When you win everyone is a genius.
 
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What I see from his play calling. He is one of these guys that needs all the information before he feels he can make good decisions instead of just calling plays on instinct. He tries to out think his opponent instead of just outperforming them.

Having too much information can interfere with the accuracy of a judgment. This is commonly called "analysis paralysis." The challenge is to sift through and focus on only the most critical information to make a decision. The other information about what the defense is trying to do at many levels is irrelevant and confusing, but I bet he is trying to make sense of it and counteract it.

If the big picture is clear enough to decide, then decide from the big picture without using a magnifying glass.
 
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lvbuckeye said:
Dontre had the best catch of the night. He was blanketed on that 40 yarder.
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IIRC, he also had a horrific drop.

It's disappointing that we have receivers that seem to be able to create seperation, but have so much trouble actually catching the ball. If they actually make 2 or 3 of those catches, the game very probably could have swung our way.

On the plus side, we seem to have a QB capable of putting the ball where it needs to be. We just need the receivers to make the plays.
 
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I happen to think Herman's good for OSU. That said...

Systems_id said:
This line of thinking is absolute insanity to me. Our offense has improved TREMENDOUSLY under Tom Herman
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....which happened to occur simultaneously with Braxton's coming of age and the best o-line OSU has had in years. You may be confusing correlation with causation.

and people already want to throw him under the bus for having one bad game (while still putting up a decent number of points) against one of the best defensive coordinators in the game. Brilliant.
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A lot of people are of the opinion that he botched the MSU game last year too. And the Clemson game. So, you're a bit off when you say people want him fired just "for having one bad game."
 
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What Herman and Urban are both lacking the last 3 years - reliable, explosive, game-changing receivers. They have great speeders on the ground but nothing consistent down field that would make any defense fear an air attack. I actually feel bad for Herman that player production in the WR corps has almost strong armed him into calling certain plays.

This doesn't mean that he doesn't make bad calls, just that he isn't equipped with the players we need.
 
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SEREbuckeye said:
What Herman and Urban are both lacking the last 3 years - reliable, explosive, game-changing receivers. They have great speeders on the ground but nothing consistent down field that would make any defense fear an air attack. I actually feel bad for Herman that player production in the WR corps has almost strong armed him into calling certain plays.

This doesn't mean that he doesn't make bad calls, just that he isn't equipped with the players we need.
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They have 4 recruiting classes under their belts and 3 years of coaching these guys. If they don't have the right guys then it's on them. If they guys they have hasn't developed enough it's in them. If the plays in the play book don't match our athletes the it's on them. If they don't adjust the offense to what the defense is doing then it's on them. If our qb isn't making the throws or the right decisions. That's just bad luck and is the only excuse they have. But that wasn't 1/4 of our problems. The only coaches that get a pass in my book are ash and Johnson.
 
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ShowMeBuck said:
Sorry Taosman, he got out-coached Saturday. Plain and simple. And calling for Brax to run it instead of Carlos on that 4th and 2 against Sparty was also a bad call. Still like the guy but it is what it is.
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I might be wrong but I believe that was a read option and the blame for that one play goes straight to Braxton. I agree with everything else you stated but I have thought about one play many many times.
 
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We haven't had truly gamebreaking receivers since Ginn and Santonio, IMO. Robo was very solid. Posey was very solid. Sanz was tough as nails, reliable. Philly was very solid. But none of them were really elite guys that defenses feared. That's what we need. I think some of these guys have potential. They're getting open. I don't know if it's nerves, bad form, or what. They just need to catch the damn ball. But they're getting open.
 
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