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Tom Herman (Former Head Coach FAU Owls)

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matcar said:
I see us with inexperience at QB and oline. I think that causes far more problems than we acknowledge. Again I'm far more concerned with a defense that consistently fails in third and long.

As soon as miller went down I assumed 3 losses. But with a very average defense, that number could grow.
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You may be dead on.. I just wonder how teams like A&M, FSU and Auburn find such success with first year QBs, yet, I know every time Herman is running an option.
 
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Isn't the whole point of running a SPREAD offense to get the defense out of the box? So why the hell did we 'counter' them loading up the box by bringing more guys into it?

Ffs. It doesn't take a 'rocket surgeon' to figure this out. If they're in a double eagle cover zero, then line up four wide with trips on one side and throw WR screens until the D gets out of that formation.

Am I completely off base here? it seemed to me that our adjustments played right into their hand.
 
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lvbuckeye said:
Isn't the whole point of running a SPREAD offense to get the defense out of the box? So why the hell did we 'counter' them loading up the box by bringing more guys into it?

Ffs. It doesn't take a 'rocket surgeon' to figure this out. If they're in a double eagle cover zero, then line up four wide with trips on one side and throw WR screens until the D gets out of that formation.

Am I completely off base here? it seemed to me that our adjustments played right into their hand.
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To answer your question, nope.
 
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Lose the War and Peace play book Genius...and go with a Dr. Seuess one. One every one can know inside and out by memory. Our line was confused and manhandled..fix the confusion that will help. We are breaking in a lot of new starters and our returning starters are changing position. Simplify and execute.
 
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I thought we had permanently disabled the "Ask Bollman" feature in the coaches' box. The "Evil Screen" and " Satan's Slant" are still under Do Not Run.

I brought up my concerns about WR play and throw game playcalling back in the Navy thread. This isn't an air raid read option offense. The primary goal of this offense is to use the run game to set up the play action.

So where Herman needs to improve is his reliance on the base offense, or add more options out of the base offense. It's no secret that his "happy place" when the going gets tough was the "Run Miller" or "Ride Hyde" offense. Like it or not, the shotgun read option is the base offense. We're not going to I formation power, we're going to run the power out of the shotgun. It doesn't work when the numbers go in the defense's favor. It's pretty bad when VT's defense basically considers you to be a triple option team. That means they are okay with getting beat over the top once or twice because they are going to sell out to stop your option.

What the offense lacks, and has been lacking, has been the quick hitters. The packaged plays, the screens, the slants, anything to get ball out of the QBs hands and to a slot receiver, TE, or HB/RB. Everybody knows that VT dials up pressure, unapologetically. It's their MO. There's a high probability they'd do it against OSU.

I can see Herman being uncomfortable with screens, based on the ineffectiveness of the O-line. You need blockers on screens. I don't feel we've done enough to set up WR screens so a Barrett softball across the field could be a disaster waiting to happen. Maybe Barrett can't handle packaged plays yet.

But to be a "distributor", you had to have time and options to distribute to. Barrett made some mistakes, but Herman did him no favors, just as he has done no favors to Miller in the past.

Meyer has stated that the QB is the most important player in his offense and if that player doesn't have a good game, the offense won't have a good game. I thought Barrett played a decent game against VT, but had 0% chance against the 6-7 man blitzes Bud Foster dialed up.
 
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Just curious (and because I'm too lazy to look myself), but was there anyone else notable that surrounded Herman at Iowa State? Heck, maybe they didn't have to be notable. Maybe the sum of the other parts were greater than Herman, and everything just came together to create something that Herman on his own/without those others can't recapture in a different system.

Just some thoughts that have been running through my head today.
 
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scarletmike said:
Just curious (and because I'm too lazy to look myself), but was there anyone else notable that surrounded Herman at Iowa State? Heck, maybe they didn't have to be notable. Maybe the sum of the other parts were greater than Herman, and everything just came together to create something that Herman on his own/without those others can't recapture in a different system.

Just some thoughts that have been running through my head today.
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I know not entirely on point in regards to your question, but some insights from an ISU fan here a couple years back have stuck with me.

snowcraig said:
ISU fan here

Not going to lie to you guys, as an ISU fan, I am shocked that tOSU made this hire. Herman was on the hotseat at ISU up until the Okie State game. His offenses have been at the bottom of the Big 12. Pretty baffled by this. If you go to our boards, you won't find many that are sad to see him go.
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snowcraig said:
His problem was more with his playcalling, and being able to relate to his QB's. He had some decent talent to work with. (not up to tOSU's level though)
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That's not entirely true. He had a guy in Austen Arnaud who was a highly rated recruit going into his junior season after a breakout sophomore year. In fact, Ricki Stanzi was signed at Iowa as the fallback to AA after he committed to ISU. The problem is that Herman refused to go down field, which was AA's strength. Herman uses the philosophy that he makes players adapt to his system, rather than making his system adapt to his players. Right before our game against Texas Tech, Rhoads had a come to Jesus meeting with Herman, basically telling him to knock off the dink and dunk passing game and just run it. After that we reeled off 3 straight wins. Herman loves the dink and dunk game, so if Braxton isn't very accurate with the short throws, expect him to struggle.

Of course, Urban will probably in all honesty be the offensive coordinator, with Herman just wearing the title. In that case you'll be fine.

As a recruiter, most were very impressed with him. He brought some good talent in. Solid ties in Texas, and he is from Ohio I believe.

Another thing, Herman was the only coach on our staff whose contract had not been renewed. Not sure if that means anything or not, but its pretty clear he didn't have the best relationship with Rhoads.

I've watched plenty of tOSU games, probably my favorite team in the B1G after Northwestern. I'm still kinda shocked by this hire. It could end up being one of those things where it works out better for everyone involved.
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Hmmm...interesting that the fan seemed to see a love of the 'dink and dunk' game by Herman at ISU, yet here it seems to be almost a miracle to see short routes more than a few times a game. Did his philosophy change, or is that something from Urban? The bit about making players adapt to his system seems about right, given how stubborn the play calling appears to be.
 
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I think Herman can coach..the spot light here shines bright and he may be trying to hard to have a perfect scheme. His press conferences after a loss are hideous..I'd let him coach and stay away from a mike. Simplify and execute then add to the play book as execution improves.
 
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