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Tom Herman (Former Head Coach FAU Owls)

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matcar said:
I see, do it's "trust the coaches" unless you don't like what Coach Meyer is saying. Then it's believe whatever you want and ignore that coach. Got it.
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No I trust the coaches, but having also worked as a person manager and as various technical team leads, I feel I speak from a bit of similar experience. The good leaders fall on the sword and correct behind closed doors, if Meyer was saying "Herman's doing a shitty job" then I would be worried. If it comes to the point that assistants are getting tossed under the bus, al la Mack Brown, then there's an issue.
 
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AuTX Buckeye said:
No I trust the coaches, but having also worked as a person manager and as various technical team leads, I feel I speak from a bit of similar experience. The good leaders fall on the sword and correct behind closed doors, if Meyer was saying "Herman's doing a [Mark May]ty job" then I would be worried. If it comes to the point that assistants are getting tossed under the bus, al la Mack Brown, then there's an issue.
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Meyer is pretty forthright about his opinions and notes when they can do better. But you are entitled to your opinion even if the coach has stated otherwise.
 
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matcar said:
Meyer is pretty forthright about his opinions and notes when they can do better. But you are entitled to your opinion even if the coach has stated otherwise.
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He's more candid than we're used to at Ohio State, but he's not 100% candid and not everything he says should be taken at face value.

Exhibit A: his handling of Everett Withers.
 
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matcar said:
Meyer is pretty forthright about his opinions and notes when they can do better. But you are entitled to your opinion even if the coach has stated otherwise.
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Good luck openly throwing a coach under the bus and expect to continue to bring in top coaches to his staff in the future. That never was nor is how Urban runs his program publically.
 
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matcar said:
Urban addressed this in his press conference saying it was hard to call those plays with the box stacked.
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Honestly, there's something off between Herman and Meyers systems. They need to get on the same page. Unless Urban has had major 180 since Florida and Utah, he's got different ideas than what he is saying:

http://fastandfuriousfootball.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Urban-Meyers-Playbook.ppt

How to Take Advantage of Different Coverages

1.Cov 0- Pick Routes, Slant and Wheel, Back out of Back Field


2.Cov 1- Pick Routes, Slant and Wheel, Play Action

Whereas Herman has promoted the concept of "making them pay" when they run cover 0. The only problem is read option on first, "make them pay" on second, and "make them pay" on third since second down didn't work, and punt isn't a real good strategy. Herman's "make them pay" is apparently busting it open over he top, which I don't agree with.
 
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jlb1705 said:
Also, good luck having that guy recruit.
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Ok you guys are all right because you know more than the coach does even after the evaluation. Carry on with that noise. I mean, I could understand why folks clamor for play calls in game because they don't know what the coaches were thinking, but doing so after the coach evaluates things is a place where I'll trust Meyer more than message board guy.
 
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I'll say it: I've seen essentially zero of what has repeatedly been promised. First, we didn't have the athletes and had to make do. Fortunately, we had Braxton and Guiton. We were told that we'd see a more open and effective offense in 2013. We didn't. Instead, we relied on the Braxton and Carlos show (which was a good idea)... except when we inexplicably didn't (which was a bad idea). When we went away from running inside behind an historically good line, the offense bogged down and everyone stood around waiting to see if Braxton pulled us back on track. We've relied on the Braxton fifty yard run and sixty yard pass to the detriment of developing the juggernaut offense that was promised. Maybe we'll still see it but up to now I haven't nor have I seen any sort of in-game offensive adjustments like you'd expect from a coach purported to be as talented as Herman. If anything, I've seen, more than once, negative adjustments in deciding to go away from what was working in favor of something that never has. So, if you want to be a power team, fine. That worked with Braxton and Carlos and could maybe work again to some degree with JT and the RB stable, if the OL gets halfway sorted out. If not, if you want to run the electric offense that's been hyped to death the last two-plus years, then let's fcuking see it. Hit the tight-end. Throw a slant. Throw a screen. Do something to (I don't even want to type this because it's an empty cliche at this point) "get your playmakers into space so they can make plays". Otherwise, stop fcuking talking about it in every interview. Everyone runs some sort of spread offense now. There's nothing special about it any more and there's no excuse for the Commodore 64 version I keep seeing out there. You have the athletes now. Now it's on you.
 
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