Tom Herman (Former Head Coach FAU Owls)

[RugbyBuck]

I equate saying that you're going to do something ad nauseum to promising to do it. Is there some obligation to fans to actually do so? Do I have some recourse against the team or school? Of course not, but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect to eventually see the offense that's been promised.

 

[jlb1705]

Ok you guys are all right because you know more than the coach does even after the evaluation. Carry on with that noise. I mean, I could understand why folks clamor for play calls in game because they don't know what the coaches were thinking, but doing so after the coach evaluates things is a place where I'll trust Meyer more than message board guy.

In my lifetime there has only been one head football coach that was 100% candid:



Everybody else (including Urban Meyer) has a filter to one extent to another because:

• It's good for managing their staff
• It's good for managing public perception
• It's good for recruiting
• They're not horses' asses

Nobody here is claiming to know more than Coach Meyer or saying they don't trust him. Quite the opposite, in fact. I think he is smart enough to not divulge every critical evaulation he has to the public and trust that he's doing things that way to an extent because it's the right thing to do for the program.

 

[NFBuck]

Seriously, though...since the horse abortion that was 2011, Ohio State Football under this coaching staff is 25-3. Yes, I know the 3 have come in the last 4 games, but you'd think this program was in the toilet given some of the reactionary postings out there on various boards. And in those 3, were in position to win each game...all three against very good teams. It's not like we're getting curb stomped like tsun. The simple fact of the matter is this is a young team that lost its best player weeks before the season. The OL, which is where most offenses start to go, has been almost totally rebuilt. On top of that, the chickens have come home to roost after some very "meh" ecruting in that area. I think that's starting to correct itself with the 2014 class. Everybody needs to look at this season for what it is...a building block to what should be a season where we talk playoffs in 2015. If we see no progression come late-November, then some doubt should start to creep in. But, this was only game 2.

 

[HorseshoeFetish]

I was unaware that "promises" had been made to fans, aside from the assurance that the coaching staff would work very hard to produce a winning football team.

Perhaps you are confused as to exactly what interview comments really constitute.

I understand what you are saying...but hiring Brady Hoke, not a promise. Hiring Urban Meyer..well that is a promise.

 

[Onebuckfan]

This thread is to discuss Tom Herman me saying something like Herman is over thinking is not because I want Urban and Tom to read this and change what the're doing its more to get a response from the 14-0 crowd who post on here like everything is rainbows and unicorns, that think losing Miller was a positive etc etc.
That tOSU should be on a 70 game winning streak and the fans should expect only a NC. Herman and Urban are GODS, etc. just because they are at tOSU. I just like to tweak the younger ones .w.ho haven't seen how ugly it can really get. This run tOSU has been on this century is almost too good...enjoy it. Seriously thinking my comments here can have an effect on tOSU football is delusional.

 

[MaxBuck]

its more to get a response from the 14-0 crowd who post on here like everything is rainbows and unicorns

I think the unicorns are in hiding after Saturday. Maybe more unicorn sightings following the Kent State game; yet to be determined.

 

[Woody1968]

This thread is to discuss Tom Herman me saying something like Herman is over thinking is not because I want Urban and Tom to read this and change what the're doing its more to get a response from the 14-0 crowd who post on here like everything is rainbows and unicorns, that think losing Miller was a positive etc etc.
That tOSU should be on a 70 game winning streak and the fans should expect only a NC. Herman and Urban are GODS, etc. just because they are at tOSU. I just like to tweak the younger ones .w.ho haven't seen how ugly it can really get. This run tOSU has been on this century is almost too good...enjoy it. Seriously thinking my comments here can have an effect on tOSU football is delusional.

Many people too young to remember the late Earl Bruce years or the early John Cooper years. Cooper's first few years were pretty bad. At the worst, they were dreadful, and the best years were just mediocre - back then you could win the conference going 9-3. Don't even bring up the 1987 Indiana Debacle.

 

[buckeyebri]

Many people too young to remember the late Earl Bruce years or the early John Cooper years. Cooper's first few years were pretty bad. At the worst, they were dreadful, and the best years were just mediocre - back then you could win the conference going 9-3. Don't even bring up the 1987 Indiana Debacle.

9-3 Earle...talk about running a lot of Dave. Earle was all about off tackle running. I actually got to see Woody hung in effigy after losing a game at home....Cooper no comment....

 

[matcar]

In my lifetime there has only been one head football coach that was 100% candid:



Everybody else (including Urban Meyer) has a filter to one extent to another because:

• It's good for managing their staff
• It's good for managing public perception
• It's good for recruiting
• They're not horses' asses

Nobody here is claiming to know more than Coach Meyer or saying they don't trust him. Quite the opposite, in fact. I think he is smart enough to not divulge every critical evaulation he has to the public and trust that he's doing things that way to an extent because it's the right thing to do for the program.

Fine. And all in saying is that one critical evaluation he made was that screens might not be effective and that folks in message boards calling for that are probably wrong. And even if the message board cadre are right, it's entirely likely Meyer and Herman were in agreement-even if they were "wrong".

 

[kujirakira]

Many people too young to remember the late Earl Bruce years or the early John Cooper years. Cooper's first few years were pretty bad. At the worst, they were dreadful, and the best years were just mediocre - back then you could win the conference going 9-3. Don't even bring up the 1987 Indiana Debacle.

It should be a criminal offense that Cooper couldn't win anything with the talent he had. My god there was some insane talent on his teams starting the mid 90s.

Anyway, I'm getting off topic #TrustTheCoaches or something.

 

[Woody1968]

It should be a criminal offense that Cooper couldn't win anything with the talent he had. My god there was some insane talent on his teams starting the mid 90s.

Anyway, I'm getting off topic #TrustTheCoaches or something.

Yeah, but even in the late 90s, Cooper had consistent 10 win seasons. His first 5 years or so were around .500 or a little above.

 

[NFBuck]

This thread is to discuss Tom Herman me saying something like Herman is over thinking is not because I want Urban and Tom to read this and change what the're doing its more to get a response from the 14-0 crowd who post on here like everything is rainbows and unicorns, that think losing Miller was a positive etc etc.
That tOSU should be on a 70 game winning streak and the fans should expect only a NC. Herman and Urban are GODS, etc. just because they are at tOSU. I just like to tweak the younger ones .w.ho haven't seen how ugly it can really get. This run tOSU has been on this century is almost too good...enjoy it. Seriously thinking my comments here can have an effect on tOSU football is delusional.

I don't think anybody here is "rainbows and unicorns" about the current team. There are clearly issues, but I think there are very valid reasons for those issues, i.e. a brand new offensive line, the loss of a Senior, Heisman Trophy candidate QB, the implementation of a brand new scheme on defense. Speaking personally, I just think people need to take a step back and look at the big picture. tOSU was clearly overranked based on reputation. This is a very young team that had to adapt significantly on the fly offensively when they lost their best player mere weeks before the season. The defense, despite their 3rd down struggles, showed signs of improvement, and I think we are legitimately heading in the right direction.

Bottom line, VT was a perfect storm. They have one of the best DCs in football, and he devised the perfect gameplan to shut down our young offense. Despite that, the offense still managed to move the ball, and was a few dropped passes from probably winning that game. Given where/when those drops occurred, momentum swung. If those catches are made, it may have even been a comfortable win. Defensively, the 3rd down woes sucked, but a lot of those came down to fantastic execution by the VT QB/receivers. How many of those conversions were on just perfectly placed passes, or diving catches by VT receivers? Add onto that the fact that VT was able to prepare for tOSU all fall camp, while tOSU had to concern themselves with a triple-option team, and you have another advantage to the Hokies.

I'm not saying Herman is free of blame. Some of the playcalling was questionable. Every OC in the country gets questioned by his fanbase at times. But given the amount of pressure they were throwing at a young QB, the lack of execution by the receivers, and the current lack of cohesion of a young OL, I can't hold it too much against him now that I look back on it. I think the offensive body of work over 28 games speaks for itself. Even in the struggles over the last 4 games, Ohio State was in a position to win each time. If we had even an average Ohio State defense, I think we beat both MSU and Clemson comfortably. It's not like we're getting blasted 37-0 in those losses. We're very close. And I think as the last couple of recruiting classes continue to bare fruit we'll get there. I still expect some lumps this season, because it's still a very young team. However, it's going to be exciting watching these young pups grow towards what should be a special 2015 season.

 

[Bill Lucas]

A fumble when the refs didn't call it on the field and failed to see who came up with the ball.
Two missed field goals.
Three interceptions.
A dropped TD pass.
A 24 yard punt that gave VA Tech a short field.
Seven sacks.

All of this and it was still only a 7 point game with a minute left. Ohio State will be fine.

 

[leroyjenkins]

A fumble when the refs didn't call it on the field and failed to see who came up with the ball.
Two missed field goals.
Three interceptions.
A dropped TD pass.
A 24 yard punt that gave VA Tech a short field.
Seven sacks.

All of this and it was still only a 7 point game with a minute left. Ohio State will be fine.

Mention the kick out of bounds after our TD, and you've about got it covered...

 

[OHSportsFan]

I agree Ohio State was in the game late, and some inexperience played a role throughout the game, all facets of the team affected the overall outcome...but I just cannot reconcile quotes about Herman and Urban being caught off guard by what Virginia Tech was throwing at them.

I get that they may not have expected that particular defense- though who would guess that a smart D-coordinator would make a Freshman QB try to win the game while manning up on everyone else, right? But how does an assistant at Ohio State, getting paid what they make, not make adjustments? So you didn't expect the scheme, OK, great, you're watching the game from up high, you have countless breaks between the game and halftime, to visually see what is happening and discuss ways to improve. People across the country are asked to think on the fly at their jobs to fix issues all the time. So when quotes like something being "unexpected" are countered by the other side saying they "didn't change a thing", that leaves the person pounding the square peg into a round hole at fault.

Yes, end results matter (wins, having ball late with chance to win, etc) but I'm a process guy too, and just because the Buckeyes were in the game late does not mean it was a good process to get there. Better processes lead to better results, and I question the way the offense was designed on Saturday. Heck, I've even given credit where I liked the process but the result wasn't there- the motion, flare pass to Wilson late in the 4th. Beautiful design. And the more plays like that (or, a freakin' slant), the better chance for success. Instead we got a heavy dose of heave-and-hope. That is just baffling to me that it can go on like that across a 4 hour game.

He's young, he's improved the team and offense, and I'm obviously not in a position to do anything about it, so I'm not asking for his job. But we've seen shades of this before when Wisconsin keyed in on Braxton and dared anyone else to beat the Buckeyes, so this wasn't new territory. As some others have said, he strikes me as a guy that spends the week conjuring up a visionary gameplan, and I'm continually reminded of the famous quote from Mike Tyson - "Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth."