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The Walking Dead (Official Thread)

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ulukinatme said:
How do you explain the bones? Bodies just don't decompose to the bone like this.

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I think the answer is that they've altered the comic storyline a bit, which they always do. Also, as we saw from the Terminus cult room, if the Termites don't trust people...why would they be telling everyone to come to Terminus for "sanctuary" if theres no sanctuary there? If you don't trust someone, don't you want to keep them as far away from you as possible...unless you're using them for food. If the Terminus people wanted Rick, Michonne, Daryl, and Carl dead, why were they herding them towards the boxcars? They obviously weren't trying to actually shoot them, they only shot at their feet. Where would the Termites get their meat if it's not people? As far as the ammunition, it would be easy to stockpile a good quantity of it if you're trapping every hapless traveler that comes to Terminus.
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No, I agree they're cannibals. I just think it's stupid for the writers to portray the cannibals as so organized, voluminous, and intelligent.
 
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This is how Frank Darabont would have started season 2 if he remained in charge of TWD after season 1:

Dear Eric,

Sure, I’ll confirm that storyline. Why not? Big caveat here though:

CraveOnline is much mistaken in saying this was for a “web series.” This was never meant as a web gimmick, this was intended for use in the actual TV series. I wanted to kick off the 2nd season with the flashback episode Sam describes, which would have followed a squad of Army Rangers getting trapped in the city and trying to survive as Atlanta falls. 



The idea was to do this with a very focused “you are there” documentary feel. Not going all shaky-cam, but still making it a bit rawer and grainier than the rest of the show. We’d start with a squad of maybe seven or eight soldiers being dropped into the city by chopper. They have map coordinates they need to get to; they’ve been told to report to a certain place to provide reinforcement. It’s not a special mission, it’s basically a housekeeping measure putting more boots on the ground to reinforce key intersections and installations throughout the city. And we follow this group from the moment the copter sets them down. All they have to do is travel maybe a dozen blocks, a simple journey, but what starts as a no-brainer scenario goes from “the city is being secured” to “holy shit, we’ve lost control, the world is ending.” Our squad gets blocked at every turn and are soon just trying to survive. I wanted to do a really tense, character-driven ensemble story as communications break down, supply lines are lost, escape routes are cut off, morale falls apart, leadership unravels, mutinies heat up, etc. (Yes, this approach owes a spiritual debt to a number of great films, including Walter Hill’s Southern Comfort.)

Along the way, I thought we could briefly dovetail this story with a few established characters from the show. Not to overdo that, mind you, because it could get silly and too coincidental if you load too much into that idea. But I thought it would be great to veer off on a quick narrative detour that brushes our soldiers briefly up against some people we know. Picture our squad arriving at a manned barricade where some civilians are being held back from leaving the city on shoot-to-kill orders to stop the spread of contagion, it’s a panicked high-intensity scene, and in this crowd of desperate people we find Andrea and Amy. The barricade gunners panic, the civilians start to get mowed down by machine gun fire, and in this melee the girls get pulled to safety by some old guy they don’t even know. It’s Dale. He’s nobody to them, just some guy who saw the opportunity to do the right thing and reacted in the moment. This would have been perhaps a minute or two of the episode, just a cool detour like the various outposts the soldiers encounter in Saving Private Ryan, but we would have witnessed the moment that Dale meets Andrea and Amy, seen where that relationship began. I also felt it would be a great way to get Emma Bell back into the series for a moment, because she was so wonderful and we were all so sorry that her character died and she had to leave the show. (Of course if this “brush with established characters” idea didn’t work in the script stage, I’d have tossed it out. You try a lot of ideas like that as you go, see how they play. But I thought this one stood a pretty good chance of being engineered to work well.) 



So the story follows these soldiers through hell as the city falls apart and the squad implodes, with Sam’s soldier being the main character and the moral center of the group. He becomes the last survivor of the squad, and he finally gets to the map coordinates they’ve been trying to get to from the start: it’s the barricade at the Atlanta courthouse intersection from the pilot where Rick later finds the tank. The soldier is still alive when he gets there, but he’s been bitten. He’s accomplished his “simple” mission, but he’s gone through seven kinds of hell to do it (including being forced to frag his squad leader), and now he’s dying. And he crawls off into the tank just to get off the street and under cover. As his fever builds and the poor guy starts to hallucinate, he pulls his last grenade and considers ending his life. He sets the grenade down on that shelf for a moment to reflect on all the shit and misery that brought him to this sad end-point of his life, and to dredge up the courage to pull the pin...but before he can act, the fever burns him out and he dies. 



The kicker comes in the last moments of this episode:



After the soldier dies this squalid, lonely death...and after a quiet lapse of time...we do a shot-for-shot reprise from the first episode of the first season: Rick comes scrambling into the tank to escape the horde...blows that zombie soldier’s brains out...now Rick’s trapped...fade out...the end.



The notion was to take the “throwaway” tank zombie Rick encountered in the pilot, and tell that soldier’s story. Make him the star of his own movie, follow his journey, but don’t reveal who he is until the end. The idea being that every zombie has a story, every undead extra was once a human being with a life of his/her own...was, in a sense, the star of his own life’s movie. And we’ve followed this one particular guy and seen how his life ended; we witness his struggles, see his good intentions and his failures, and we experience his godawful death in this tank. That’s why I cast Sam as that tank zombie in the first place instead of just casting some extra. I had this story in mind while filming the pilot, and I knew I’d need a superb actor to play that soldier when the time came.

And then starting with Episode 202, we’d be back with Rick’s group and back in step with the flow of the established story from last season.

I always had in mind to throw in a “wild-card” episode every season, maybe as a season opener or closer. Just a separate story more in the feel of an anthology series, one that appears completely off the track of the regular series but actually does wind up tying in somehow by the fade-out. They did that sort of thing on LOST on occasion, and I really respected it. It always seemed like a bold choice that trusted the audience and rewarded their loyalty with a totally unexpected surprise episode every so often.

That’s it from me. I hope things are well on your end.

Best,

Frank
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OH10 said:
I'm not buying the organized cannibals angle. They have a compound, an organization, plenty of supplies... and not one of them has decided that it's fucked up to cook and eat people? At least in the comics, it was a small nomadic group. But this is a smart, thoughtful group of people who are expertly herding refugees into the camp via the railroad tracks, signs, radio... and seemingly infinite amounts of ammunition.

Look, I know you've got to suspend disbelief for any television show involving the zombie apocalypse, but that's a bit ridiculous. If you want to understand ordinary, civilized human beings forced to resort to cannibalism, I suggest you study the rugby team that crashed in the Andes back in the 70s. They didn't want to eat people. Prayed about it. Plenty objected. And, in the end, decided they had no choice and that they would die if they weren't willing to eat the already dead.
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I guess the Devil's Advocate argument would be Nazi Germany...they didn't just start off all "OK, we're going to burn 6 million Jews" the first day, or else virtually no one would have allowed them anywhere near power. Yet by the end there were so many excuses and rationalizations and people in denial from ignoring puffs of smoke to "following orders" to pretending they didn't see railcars full of people and valuables that literally tens of thousands were killed per day without virtually any objection whatsoever. I imagine they didn't see the first zombie and say "We need to beat them to the punch"...but as history has shown, it's surprising what time and rationalization (and especially a cult leader) can get people to do. I'm sure Jim Jones' followers didn't expect a cyanide chaser at first.
 
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Bucklion said:
I guess the Devil's Advocate argument would be Nazi Germany...they didn't just start off all "OK, we're going to burn 6 million Jews" the first day, or else virtually no one would have allowed them anywhere near power. Yet by the end there were so many excuses and rationalizations and people in denial from ignoring puffs of smoke to "following orders" to pretending they didn't see railcars full of people and valuables that literally tens of thousands were killed per day without virtually any objection whatsoever. I imagine they didn't see the first zombie and say "We need to beat them to the punch"...but as history has shown, it's surprising what time and rationalization (and especially a cult leader) can get people to do. I'm sure Jim Jones' followers didn't expect a cyanide chaser at first.
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And now I just lost what remaining faith I had in humanity as I come realize that you are exactly right.
 
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If anyone is interested, I found out a few days ago you can find all the comics online for free at places like scribd.com and Youtube. Over the last two days I've read 124 Walking Dead comics, so I think I'm all caught up on those story lines. It's interesting to see how much of the comics they use and don't use. There are certainly a few things that are different between the two, yet the overall story is basically the same. Heres a link to one with the first 100 or so comics:
http://www.scribd.com/collections/4060498/The-Walking-Dead-English-1-103

For all those people that were disappointed in the ending scene from the TV show last weekend...I can say having read the comics now that it makes more sense. For one, the line was essentially ripped almost word from word from one of the comics, although the scene was in a slightly different setting. However, this isn't really an outlier. If a comic doesn't end with a cheesy Rick one liner, it probably ends with a bad guy one liner. Almost...every...time. So, in staying true to the comics I guess I see why they went Rambo Rick to finish the season, but obviously using a comic book ending doesn't necessarily translate to a great ending for a season finale of a tv show.

Heres some similarities between the comics and the final episode that aired last Sunday, no spoilers about upcoming stuff here if you saw the episode already:
http://www.thewalkingdeadepisode.co...son-4-finale-comics-comparison/#axzz2xqdU9dPw
 
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