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AuTX Buckeye
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I think even a blind man knew this episode was going to happen eventually. But shit when they jumped in, they went with both feet
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Yeah I was close last week, Carol didn't feed her to a walker, she just shot her in the head. Wasn't sure if it would be Judith or the sister that died, but figured it had to be one or the other, honestly I was thinking Judith because she cried again honestly. But yeah, not only did something happen, but finally they did what they had to do for a change, and didn't act sorority girl in an 80's slasher film stupid. Was a little surprised she told Tyreese overall, but I wasn't after she had done what she did. I guess the interesting thing from a philosophical perspective is whether she was hoping he wouldn't shoot her...or of she was hoping he would. Either way, I guess they are all going to converge on the Terminus now, presumably at the end of the next episode so that the final episode can have something "more hopeful" which would be the group (or at least most of it, not sure about Daryl or Beth) reuniting. Will they head to Washington? Will we get a whiff og the Hunters? Is Daryl with the Saviors now? Is Beth? Hopefully they will clear enough up to know what will happen going forward. I have to say this episode reminds you of what this show could be...the fact that it took them about 7 episodes too many to get here, however, is a stark reminder of what it is, though.
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ulukinatme
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Well, I admit, up until last night I still thought psycho Lizzy was the one that burned Karen and the other guy and Carol covered for her, so I was wrong there. I know Carol has kind of evolved into this "Do whatever is necessary to survive" type, but I assumed Lizzy was her protege and took it upon herself to do the deed before consulting. So, I was a bit surprised when Carol fessed up, but it makes sense given her character arc. Man, her character sure has changed since season 1. Couldn't stand her for the first couple seasons, but she's really changed. She's the only female to survive all 4 seasons, she definitely wouldn't have been my pick. The actor that portrays her did a fantastic job last night I thought, just made the whole episode great.
All that said, as AuTX Buckeye pointed out, it was easy to see that something was going to come to a head with Lizzy this episode, but I didn't quite expect that they'd take it to the next level like that. She definitely went off the deep end, between playing with the walker and calling it her friend, and then showing the feeding, and then of course the situation with Mika. I thought they did a great job in the episode to flesh out Mika there before the end, pulled on the heart strings a bit more. I'm glad Lizzy didn't end up taking out Judith, that would have been a bit much even for this show.
So, while many of the mysteries were already figured out awhile ago, they put to bed who was feeding the walkers the rats at the prison, who tortured the rabbit, the death of Karen and they resolved that situation with Tyrese. Were there any other loose ends that were tied up? Seems like next week's episode will update Daryl and Glen's stories before everyone converges at Terminus. I saw in a recent interview that Norman Reedus thought it was silly that fans thought he was out to bang Beth or that there was something more there...sounds like a load of BS to me.
All that said, as AuTX Buckeye pointed out, it was easy to see that something was going to come to a head with Lizzy this episode, but I didn't quite expect that they'd take it to the next level like that. She definitely went off the deep end, between playing with the walker and calling it her friend, and then showing the feeding, and then of course the situation with Mika. I thought they did a great job in the episode to flesh out Mika there before the end, pulled on the heart strings a bit more. I'm glad Lizzy didn't end up taking out Judith, that would have been a bit much even for this show.
So, while many of the mysteries were already figured out awhile ago, they put to bed who was feeding the walkers the rats at the prison, who tortured the rabbit, the death of Karen and they resolved that situation with Tyrese. Were there any other loose ends that were tied up? Seems like next week's episode will update Daryl and Glen's stories before everyone converges at Terminus. I saw in a recent interview that Norman Reedus thought it was silly that fans thought he was out to bang Beth or that there was something more there...sounds like a load of BS to me.
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ulukinatme
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I thought they made an interesting point on Talking Dead about this. Earlier in the episode Tyrese opens up to Carol about his nightmares and the death of Karen, and how he feels at peace with the girls and Carol because he knows he can trust them. The actor that plays Carol believed that if she would have told Tyrese the truth then and there, he probably kills her or abandons ship. After taking care of the Lizzy situation though, Carol kind of proved she's willing to do the hard things that are necessary for people to survive, in this case she was saving Judith and possibly themselves by handling Lizzy. That was an important point for Tyrese to see that so he knew that killing Karen was nothing personal or malicious, it was what Carol thought was in the best interests of everyone at the prison.
I was going to mention another interesting insight that they made on Talking Dead last night, but it's already slipped from my memory.
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Yeah, after so much hype about how good the 2nd half of this season was supposed to be, I've been a bit disappointed it took this long to get a good episode. It has kind of been feast or famine I guess, as last night's episode was certainly pretty good and a lot of things had built to that point, but 7 episodes was a bit much to get to this point. They could have used another episode like this about 4 weeks ago. It seems like they've gone to a format where they're going to build you up for 8-9 weeks, then hit you with a good season finale or mid season finale to string you along.
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That won't bring the audience back next year. I mean obviously they don't have to off a kid or be as dramatic as the showdown at the prison every single week, but more has to happen in the interim 6 weeks than relatively incomplete and uninteresting backstory and hook ups, or the core audience will disappear.
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WolverineMike
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I about lost the plot when I saw her bloody hand and knife and Mica laying there. I was really starting to like her in this episode.
Every time the show starts to lose me, they pull me right back in.
When she shot Lizzie in the end though, there was the gunshot, but there was no trigger pull or flash. It was a terrible edit job. Like they were suppose to cut to the wide angle but were a second to late.
Every time the show starts to lose me, they pull me right back in.
When she shot Lizzie in the end though, there was the gunshot, but there was no trigger pull or flash. It was a terrible edit job. Like they were suppose to cut to the wide angle but were a second to late.
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ulukinatme
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Yup, I agree. The tension and intensity is lost from the first season or two. Instead of delivery every show, they're content building a bunch of fluff that leads up to one or two good shows at the end of each half season. They could have removed some of the story arcs, or shortened them, in the 2nd half of this season and still had everyone meet up at Terminus. It wouldn't have changed a thing. Bob/Sasha/Maggie story? It did very little for the show in retrospect and removing it doesn't really change a thing. Likewise Daryl and Beth's situation probably could have been reduced to just the Funeral Home and it wouldn't have changed much. They could have kept Michonne together with Rick and Carl and combined their story into 1 episode instead of dragging it out for almost two episodes. They introduce Abraham and his party with half an episode, then we don't see them again for a month. Thats a horrible way to introduce new characters, although it looks like we get to see them a bit more next week.
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WolverineMike
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another thing they could have done, which would have made it more interesting, is mash all the storyline's together each week and give us a taste of each one. I don't need an entire out devoted to Beth/Darryl or Sasha/Bob/Maggie.......They could have trimmed the fat and shown multiple story arcs going at the same time. Although last nights episode definitely deserved it's own hour. Just a thought I had.
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