The Smurficial Boise State Broncos Thread

[MaxBuck]

I hate the whole Boise State phenomenon, and their blue turf should be cluster-bombed. But based on the released details of the "violations," my God, what a joke. It makes Tattoogate seem like Pol Pot's reign of terror by comparison. My overall reaction is that Boise has been seriously gorilla-fucked by the NCAA on this one.

If chasing down this kind of stupid shit is what the NCAA seriously thinks it needs to be doing, then I seriously think the NCAA needs to sink into the sea.

 

[alexhortdog95]

How long do you think until somoene reads this and tries to equate what Smurf Turf's Tennis coach did with what JT did?

 

[Zippercat]

How long do you think until somoene reads this and tries to equate what Smurf Turf's Tennis coach did with what JT did?

That's just too easy: both violated NCAA rules to use ineleigible players!

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I hate the whole Boise State phenomenon, and their blue turf should be cluster-bombed. But based on the released details of the "violations," my God, what a joke. It makes Tattoogate seem like Pol Pot's reign of terror by comparison. My overall reaction is that Boise has been seriously gorilla-fucked by the NCAA on this one.

If chasing down this kind of stupid shit is what the NCAA seriously thinks it needs to be doing, then I seriously think the NCAA needs to sink into the sea.

What follows is not my work but comes from a post I saw in my fantasy baseball league:

The national media is clamoring for Coach Tressel?s resignation, or firing, based on the allegation that he lied to the NCAA. If that allegation is true and the national media is correct, then the entire Boise St Football Coaching Staff and the AD should resign immediately because their NCAA Infractions are MUCH worse than Ohio State?s infractions.

Here?s why:

1. Boise St?s infractions involved MANY more players. 63 Broncos compared to 5 Buckeyes.

2. Boise St?s infractions occurred over a 4-year time span. Ohio St?s occurred just once.

3. At Boise St at least 3 and perhaps as many as 5 different teams were involved. At Ohio St. it was just one.

4. Boise St?s infractions involved multiple coaches from multiple teams. At Ohio St, it was just one.

5. At Ohio St, the student-atheltes? improper actions were committed independent of the university. At Boise St, the improper benefits were arranged and orchestrated by the university.

6. One of the more serious allegations stems from the annual NCAA Compliance Report that coaches are required to complete. Ohio St?s Jim Tressel is accused of dishonestly completing that report one time, for the 2010-11 Football Season. The Boise St coaches were dishonest in regards to that report four consecutive times.

Add all these up and Boise St?s infractions go way beyond Lack of Institutional Control. Their actions demonstrate a systemic, procedural, methodical intent not only to skirt NCAA rules, but also to be dishonest with the NCAA in the process.

If ending Coach Tressel?s tenure at Ohio St is the ?right? thing to do, then Chris Petersen?s (and likely several other BSU coaches) career at Boise St should surely come to an end, too.

 

[Tlangs]

What follows is not my work but comes from a post I saw in my fantasy baseball league:

The national media is clamoring for Coach Tressel?s resignation, or firing, based on the allegation that he lied to the NCAA. If that allegation is true and the national media is correct, then the entire Boise St Football Coaching Staff and the AD should resign immediately because their NCAA Infractions are MUCH worse than Ohio State?s infractions.

Here?s why:

1. Boise St?s infractions involved MANY more players. 63 Broncos compared to 5 Buckeyes.

2. Boise St?s infractions occurred over a 4-year time span. Ohio St?s occurred just once.

3. At Boise St at least 3 and perhaps as many as 5 different teams were involved. At Ohio St. it was just one.

4. Boise St?s infractions involved multiple coaches from multiple teams. At Ohio St, it was just one.

5. At Ohio St, the student-atheltes? improper actions were committed independent of the university. At Boise St, the improper benefits were arranged and orchestrated by the university.

6. One of the more serious allegations stems from the annual NCAA Compliance Report that coaches are required to complete. Ohio St?s Jim Tressel is accused of dishonestly completing that report one time, for the 2010-11 Football Season. The Boise St coaches were dishonest in regards to that report four consecutive times.

Add all these up and Boise St?s infractions go way beyond Lack of Institutional Control. Their actions demonstrate a systemic, procedural, methodical intent not only to skirt NCAA rules, but also to be dishonest with the NCAA in the process.

If ending Coach Tressel?s tenure at Ohio St is the ?right? thing to do, then Chris Petersen?s (and likely several other BSU coaches) career at Boise St should surely come to an end, too.

I love #6

 

[woofermazing]

What follows is not my work but comes from a post I saw in my fantasy baseball league:

The national media is clamoring for Coach Tressel?s resignation, or firing, based on the allegation that he lied to the NCAA. If that allegation is true and the national media is correct, then the entire Boise St Football Coaching Staff and the AD should resign immediately because their NCAA Infractions are MUCH worse than Ohio State?s infractions.

Here?s why:

1. Boise St?s infractions involved MANY more players. 63 Broncos compared to 5 Buckeyes.

2. Boise St?s infractions occurred over a 4-year time span. Ohio St?s occurred just once.

3. At Boise St at least 3 and perhaps as many as 5 different teams were involved. At Ohio St. it was just one.

4. Boise St?s infractions involved multiple coaches from multiple teams. At Ohio St, it was just one.

5. At Ohio St, the student-atheltes? improper actions were committed independent of the university. At Boise St, the improper benefits were arranged and orchestrated by the university.

6. One of the more serious allegations stems from the annual NCAA Compliance Report that coaches are required to complete. Ohio St?s Jim Tressel is accused of dishonestly completing that report one time, for the 2010-11 Football Season. The Boise St coaches were dishonest in regards to that report four consecutive times.

Add all these up and Boise St?s infractions go way beyond Lack of Institutional Control. Their actions demonstrate a systemic, procedural, methodical intent not only to skirt NCAA rules, but also to be dishonest with the NCAA in the process.

If ending Coach Tressel?s tenure at Ohio St is the ?right? thing to do, then Chris Petersen?s (and likely several other BSU coaches) career at Boise St should surely come to an end, too.

Yes.

 

[alexhortdog95]

If ending Coach Tressel's tenure at Ohio St is the right? thing to do, then Chris Petersen's (and likely several other BSU coaches) career at Boise St should surely come to an end, too.

Unfortunately, I have to disagree. I believe the only major violation that happened at Boise was the ineligible player on the tennis team. All the others were secondary violations....and those happen all the time at just about every university. The NCAA just happened to lump them all into one big fat bag of poo in this case when the Smurfs told on themselves, LOL.

The schools are solely responsible for reporting the secondary violations to the NCAA. Usually, the NCAA just shakes their finger at the school and forgets about the whole thing - if the school reports it. But some schools don't report violations on a regular basis. When that happens, the NCAA starts to digging and will slap the "Lack of Institutional Control" scarlet letter on the school - which is what I believe happened here with Boise.

Finally....equating what JT did and what Peterson did isn't fair to Peterson, cause they're two totally different things. Peterson found a place for incoming, enrolled guys to stay and paid for some meals. JT - we all know what he did, so there's no need to re-hash it.

Story about secondary violations: http://huskerextra.com/sports/other/article_ecc60d1a-73bc-52b3-8d6e-041f2686e426.html

 

[cjmik_75]

The university has made fixes, done its own internal investigation and hired a new compliance officer, Kustra said.
The secondary violations in football involved impermissible housing, transportation and/or meals to prospective student-athletes from 2005 to 2009.
In all, the NCAA found the total value of impermissible benefits through five years was $4,934 for all of the housing, transportation and meals provided to 63 incoming student-athletes. All services ranged from $2.34 to a maximum of $417.55 and have been reimbursed by the student-athletes.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=6471288
That doesn't sound self-reported.

 

[alexhortdog95]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=6471288
That doesn't sound self-reported.

Keep reading, bud:

Boise State began its investigation into potential violations in 2009. The school and NCAA agreed to penalties a year later for the sports that broke the rules: football, men's and women's tennis, and men's and women's track and field.

But later that year, Boise State self-reported a major violation in women's tennis, in which one tennis player was allowed to compete before being officially enrolled.

That led the NCAA to take the secondary violations and major violation and lump them into one case, slapping the more serious "lack of institutional control" charge on top of the existing violations.

Basically put, Boise was in the process of reporting what they thought were a few secondary violations and in the process of their digging, they found they had committed a major violation. That prompted the NCAA to say "Como Te Fuck?!?"

 

[scarletngray]

Unfortunately, I have to disagree. I believe the only major violation that happened at Boise was the ineligible player on the tennis team. All the others were secondary violations....and those happen all the time at just about every university. The NCAA just happened to lump them all into one big fat bag of poo in this case when the Smurfs told on themselves, LOL.

The schools are solely responsible for reporting the secondary violations to the NCAA. Usually, the NCAA just shakes their finger at the school and forgets about the whole thing - if the school reports it. But some schools don't report violations on a regular basis. When that happens, the NCAA starts to digging and will slap the "Lack of Institutional Control" scarlet letter on the school - which is what I believe happened here with Boise.

Finally....equating what JT did and what Peterson did isn't fair to Peterson, cause they're two totally different things. Peterson found a place for incoming, enrolled guys to stay and paid for some meals. JT - we all know what he did, so there's no need to re-hash it.

Story about secondary violations: http://huskerextra.com/sports/other/article_ecc60d1a-73bc-52b3-8d6e-041f2686e426.html

FAIL

JT did not provide improper benefits to student athletes. He failed to report something that someone else did. Though you are right in that they are different, you are wrong in implying that JT's failure to report is worse than CP's actual involvement in providing improper benefits over a 4 yr period.

:osu:

 

[ginn421]

Keep reading, bud:

Boise State began its investigation into potential violations in 2009. The school and NCAA agreed to penalties a year later for the sports that broke the rules: football, men's and women's tennis, and men's and women's track and field.

But later that year, Boise State self-reported a major violation in women's tennis, in which one tennis player was allowed to compete before being officially enrolled.

That led the NCAA to take the secondary violations and major violation and lump them into one case, slapping the more serious "lack of institutional control" charge on top of the existing violations.

Basically put, Boise was in the process of reporting what they thought were a few secondary violations and in the process of their digging, they found they had committed a major violation. That prompted the NCAA to say "Como Te Fuck?!?"

I suggest you keep reading too

According to the Boise State release:
Boise State began an internal investigation in March 2009 at the request of the NCAA. Through May 2010, Boise State responded to the inquiry and self-reported some undiscovered secondary infractions in preparation for a summary disposition in which the university, NCAA enforcement staff and involved individuals agreed on the violations.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/05/02/1632708/ncaa-investigating-boise-state.html

Doesn't sound like Boise decided to be all forthcoming about their infractions and self-report to me. Sounds like the NCAA caught Boise and they tried to "self-report" after the NCAA told them to do so.
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[Gatorubet]

FAIL

JT did not provide improper benefits to student athletes. He failed to report something that someone else did. Though you are right in that they are different, you are wrong in implying that JT's failure to report is worse than CP's actual involvement in providing improper benefits over a 4 yr period.

:osu:

Well, there is actually a reason that they call them major and secondary, so.....all our opinions are going in the NCAA round file no matter how reasonable we all think they are. They will go by their major and secondary classification.

 

[scarletngray]

Well, there is actually a reason that they call them major and secondary, so.....all our opinions are going in the NCAA round file no matter how reasonable we all think they are. They will go by their major and secondary classification.

This is true. And we do not yet know what the NCAA ruling is going to be and so time will tell. However, one big difference is that Boise State was hit with lack of institutional control and tOSU wasn't. It is also true that BSU situation occurred over a span of 4 years, which is not the case with JT and tOSU.

:osu:

 

[cjmik_75]

I suggest you keep reading too

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/05/02/1632708/ncaa-investigating-boise-state.html

Doesn't sound like Boise decided to be all forthcoming about their infractions and self-report to me. Sounds like the NCAA caught Boise and they tried to "self-report" after the NCAA told them to do so.
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That's what I was talking about. Football. Not tennis. Self reporting the football violations.

Thanks BUD.

 

[alexhortdog95]

That's what I was talking about. Football. Not tennis. Self reporting the football violations.

Thanks BUD.

An NCAA inquiry contained 22 allegations from 2005-2010 and asked for additional information from the university pertaining to each, according to a Boise State press release. The university formally responded April 25, and the NCAA Committee on Infractions will review the response June 10. A final NCAA report is expected to take several more months.

I stand corrected on the Boise trying to look goody two shoes part. Hadn't seen the Idaho article.

We all should be careful though, pointing the finger at other programs when they have problems, because it usually makes things worse for our program - see Big 12 Vs. Nebraska. Our team went from one of the best in the country getting back after a slide....to dirty, headhunting, irresponsible roughnecks with a win at-all-costs attitude.

That being said, if The Dispatch doesn't stop screwing around, tOSU might be getting that LOIC letter slapped on it too. Seems every time the end of the week comes up, someone at The Dispatch comes out with some more 'revelations' about tOSU. It's a damned shame, because none of this is healthy for college football as a whole.


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