The Race Card

[Taosman]

To not even try to make a better America by saying it's too hard is not worthy of our parents. Not worthy of our Founders. The "Ugly American" becomes the "Lazy American". I refuse to buy into that thinking.

 

[Taosman]

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have."

"A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right."

Thomas Paine

 

[Deety]

"Policing" is not "forcing". You're giving them a choice.

Holy crap, Taos. Seriously?

 

[Taosman]

Holy crap, Taos. Seriously?

Seriously. You play by the rules or your lose your benefits. I think that's sensible.

 

[matcar]

"Policing" is not "forcing". You're giving them a choice.

I think you missed the point there. In this country, there are thousands of people who are quite content to be without real work. What Dub is calling lazy. ....literally thousands and thousands. How do you "police" them into something meaningful and why would anyone think it is OK to take my hard earned wage to give to him? Now, I am willing to participate in a weekly mission on Mondays where my family feeds those in need, but that is voluntary. But flat out taking my wage to give to those who don't care to work. I don't get how policing such a situation is remotely moral or the government's right.

 

[Taosman]

I think you missed the point there. In this country, there are thousands of people who are quite content to be without real work. What Dub is calling lazy. ....literally thousands and thousands. How do you "police" them into something meaningful and why would anyone think it is OK to take my hard earned wage to give to him? Now, I am willing to participate in a weekly mission on Mondays where my family feeds those in need, but that is voluntary. But flat out taking my wage to give to those who don't care to work. I don't get how policing such a situation is remotely moral or the government's right.

As I stated in an earlier post, I saw what you are describing exactly growing up in the Ohio Valley. People with no work ethic. Common sense tells us that any government or other assistance program must be policed to cut down on deadbeats or abusers. That has not been done as well as maybe it should. Why? I don't have an answer for that.
The morality of any assistance program should be obvious from a Christian perspective. Those in real need should get help. Those taking advantage should be cut off. That's moral and practical.

As far as any Big Government talk or government rights to your tax money, that's for another thread in a better place. And that's why we should all be voting on such things.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

Wait.....is it Opposite Day or something? Taos is advocating that people who receive benefits should be policed to ensure that they are truly deserving of the benefits and you guys are disagreeing?

Isn't that one of the major complaints about the current programs? Too many people on the rolls that don't deserve the benefits?

Maybe I'm just misreading the last page or do......

 

[DubCoffman62]

I think that we should adopt Mexico's welfare program. Do you know why they have that stereotype of living 20 to a house? At least it keeps families together and force people to be resourceful. I remember in some other thread, some well intentioned young liberal suggested that poor people deserved free wide screen TV's and cable because their life is so shitty at least that would give them some comfort Why not free recreational marijuana while we're at it

 

[matcar]

As I stated in an earlier post, I saw what you are describing exactly growing up in the Ohio Valley. People with no work ethic. Common sense tells us that any government or other assistance program must be policed to cut down on deadbeats or abusers. That has not been done as well as maybe it should. Why? I don't have an answer for that.
The morality of any assistance program should be obvious from a Christian perspective. Those in real need should get help. Those taking advantage should be cut off. That's moral and practical.

As far as any Big Government talk or government rights to your tax money, that's for another thread in a better place. And that's why we should all be voting on such things.

The morality of assistance IS simple from a Christian perspective...and it should come from such groups rather than the Feds. And it does. Cut the fed assistance and let families, friends, churches and support organizations handle it. They do a better job because of the lack of bureaucracy.

 

[DubCoffman62]

The morality of assistance IS simple from a Christian perspective...and it should come from such groups rather than the Feds. And it does. Cut the fed assistance and let families, friends, churches and support organizations handle it. They do a better job because of the lack of bureaucracy.

That's what liberals don't seem to understand. They think that conservatives are hypocrites because they want lower taxes which liberals interpret as not wanting to help the poor. Private charity does so much more to help people that doled out tax dollars forcibly taken from working folk.

Whatever happened to their love of Eastern philosophy, you know, that Confucius dude
“Give a man a fish, feed home for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed for a lifetime.”

Another thing, helping people is good but enabling is another thing. Just think, if you dog is full of ticks, what are you going to do, pulls them off of feed your dog food that going to make it's blood more rich and able to sustain more ticks? It ain't rocket science.

 

[Taosman]

Wait.....is it Opposite Day or something? Taos is advocating that people who receive benefits should be policed to ensure that they are truly deserving of the benefits and you guys are disagreeing?

Isn't that one of the major complaints about the current programs? Too many people on the rolls that don't deserve the benefits?

Maybe I'm just misreading the last page or do......

It's Tribal/Hivemind think. Anything I say they disagree with, even if they were for it last week.
Predictable.

 

[Mike80]

 

[Taosman]

Privat

That's what liberals don't seem to understand. They think that conservatives are hypocrites because they want lower taxes which liberals interpret as not wanting to help the poor. Private charity does so much more to help people that doled out tax dollars forcibly taken from working folk.

Whatever happened to their love of Eastern philosophy, you know, that Confucius dude
“Give a man a fish, feed home for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed for a lifetime.”

Another thing, helping people is good but enabling is another thing. Just think, if you dog is full of ticks, what are you going to do, pulls them off of feed your dog food that going to make it's blood more rich and able to sustain more ticks? It ain't rocket science.

Private charity just can't handle the volume of people in need.

 

[Taosman]

The morality of assistance IS simple from a Christian perspective...and it should come from such groups rather than the Feds. And it does. Cut the fed assistance and let families, friends, churches and support organizations handle it. They do a better job because of the lack of bureaucracy.

So, you think the church groups can help 12,800,000?
Seriously?
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

 

[Deety]

Wait.....is it Opposite Day or something? Taos is advocating that people who receive benefits should be policed to ensure that they are truly deserving of the benefits and you guys are disagreeing?

Isn't that one of the major complaints about the current programs? Too many people on the rolls that don't deserve the benefits?

Maybe I'm just misreading the last page or do......

Sounded like he was saying the "choice" was between being forced to do something or being jailed, which sounds like a fabulous array of options. I may have misread that, but feel that may be understandable given the circumstances.