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Game Thread Sugar Bowl: tOSU vs Arkansas, Tue, Jan 4th, 8:30 ET ESPN

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As far as the Pryor containment plan, I suspect we're going to see a variant on the Jordan Jefferson plan from this past week.

Arkansas normally doesn't play a lot of bump outside, but has been more effective against mobile QBs when doing so. Our linebackers are smaller guys, a couple of them converted players in the secondary. Jericho Nelson is the guy generally used on the backside for containment/pressure on mobile quarterbacks,and in 'spy' situations. I would expect a ton of underneath coverage variation, but not much deep coverage. Pyror will have to throw the ball down the field, or there will be 8 bodies at the LOS regularly.

The key matchup in coverage maybe OLB Anthony Leon (a failed FS) against Jake Stoneburner. If Stoneburner is effective at using his size and height to effectively post-up Leon, you'll probably have decent success throwing the ball and sustaining drives.
 
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EireHog;1824179; said:
As far as the Pryor containment plan, I suspect we're going to see a variant on the Jordan Jefferson plan from this past week.
You may be overstating Pryor's running ability. He chose OSU because he's hellbent on becoming a prototypical pocket passer, probably to the chagrin of a lot of Buckeye fans. He'll scramble a little to buy time and bust off a 15 or 30 yard run here or there, but for the most part he's banged up and not running like he used to. He's passed up a lot of running lanes this year to look downfield longer and throw the ball.

If Arkansas gameplans to stop his running, it works to OSU's advantage because he'd rather pass to begin with.
 
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Dryden;1824180; said:
You may be overstating Pryor's running ability. He chose OSU because he's hellbent on becoming a protypical pocket passer, probably to the chagrin of a lot of Buckeye fans. He'll scramble a little to buy time and bust off a 15 or 30 yard run here or there, but for the most part he's banged up and not running like he used to. He's passed up a lot of running lanes this year to look downfield longer and throw the ball.

If Arkansas gameplans to stop his running, it works to OSU's advantage because he'd rather pass to begin with.

It's not a matter of gameplanning to stop his running; it's more a matter of gameplanning to stop him from moving around in the pocket itself, to buy time, particularly in 2nd and 3rd and long situations. Our DBs tend to turn their backs on the LOS, which gives QBs who sprint out or move in the pocket more run-pass options, or to let receivers work their way back to the play.

I hope to heck he tries to chuck it 50 times :biggrin:
 
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I prefer the Purdue Model.....

scooter1369;1824189; said:
That's what Oregon thought, too.

...but I can live with 2 scores and less than 300 yards. This is going to be a game where it'll take considerably more than 20 points to win it.

If Pryor throwing the ball is the underpinning of the OSU attack, all the better.
 
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EireHog;1824196; said:
This is going to be a game where it'll take considerably more than 20 points to win it.

You hope.

With time to gameplan and, most importantly, rest our secondary we will be able to take a hell of a lot of weight off of our d-line. Our defense is one of the most athletic, if not necessarily dominant, defenses in the nation. Mallet will have a lot of success throwing the ball, but I doubt he connects many times for longer than 20. What the youthful secondary lacks in ability to read the play, they make up for in getting to the ball and bringing down the ball carrier. And you know that Tressel's gameplan will almost undoubtedly be one of ball-control. Expect a lot of Boom, a lot of read option and a lot of rollouts for 5-10yd gains to Fragel and Stoney. The kind of plays that set up the PA's to Sanzo and Posey for 30-40yd gains.

I'll go ahead and call it. This game won't be a shootout. If the winner of this game scores more than 30 I will be extremely surprised.
 
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SloopyHangOn;1824197; said:
You hope.

With time to gameplan and, most importantly, rest our secondary we will be able to take a hell of a lot of weight off of our d-line. Our defense is one of the most athletic, if not necessarily dominant, defenses in the nation. Mallet will have a lot of success throwing the ball, but I doubt he connects many times for longer than 20. What the youthful secondary lacks in ability to read the play, they make up for in getting to the ball and bringing down the ball carrier. And you know that Tressel's gameplan will almost undoubtedly be one of ball-control. Expect a lot of Boom, a lot of read option and a lot of rollouts for 5-10yd gains to Fragel and Stoney. The kind of plays that set up the PA's to Sanzo and Posey for 30-40yd gains.

I'll go ahead and call it. This game won't be a shootout. If the winner of this game scores more than 30 I will be extremely surprised.

Sorry, but you lost me at 'one of the most athletic'. Arkansas has faced a number of defenses at least (being charitable) as athletic as OSU, and has been, at their absolute worst, quite reasonably effective against said defenses. The biggest thing a defense can do to slow down Arkansas is to force turnovers, which Ohio State does very well.

Tackling will be at a premium for both teams, to be certain. I don't expect the Hogs to have that good of a day against your running game, if you stick to the hammer and anvil approach.

I'll be shocked if the winner scores less than 35.
 
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TDunk;1824120; said:
Just curious about your perspective on the whole SEC thing and also I know your HC gets a lot of [censored] for his sudden departure from the falcons. I have no qualms with UARK going after a proven coach to squeegee the nutt job. I'm still unsure why a HC would leave one SEC team for another unless it was a dream job. I'm really just curious on the southern aspect of football.

as for nutt, he was fired, even if he officially wasn't. a 50 year AD and a chancellor who backed him were fired as well, even if the official record says they weren't. the nutt/broyles crowd got into an ego contest with one of the state's big high school programs over players and bringing up coaches from the high school program to UA, and when 4 and 5 star players transfer out to USC, heads are gonna roll. thankfully the heads that were responsible and liable were the ones that did in fact roll. frank broyles spent 40 years keeping us down for the sake of his own legacy/ego, much like jerry jones and al davis do in the NFL, but he fell out of favor with big money donors in little rock over playing games there (our home games are split between the campus in fayetteville and little rock, partly due to tradition partly due to money). frank decided to thumb his nose at little rock money, and money doesn't appreciate that (especially after funding a ~billion dollar a year hospital complex for the university, right down the street from the little rock stadium), so that was that, fresh start 3 years ago with petrino and long. first real change in the football program since the late 60s.

petrino landed in our laps. jeff long (pitt) was our new AD hire, and he knew petrino from his big east days. petrino wanted out of atlanta with vick going to prison and the team quitting on the season due to vick being gone, and with the SEC being the preferred conference for any coach due to the ESPN/CBS TV deals, we were the best job available.

as for the 'southern' thing, alot of it is due to the absence of pro franchises. the northern states have the larger concentration of bigger cities with pro sports alternatives. arkansas, alabama, mississippi, and until recently tennessee, have no professional sports franchises. the college teams are it. before the recent success of the saints and falcons you could add louisiana and georgia to that list as well. college has always been first and foremost down here, even when the couple of NFL franchises are winning. when everyone has a stake in the college program because it's the only game in town, it doesn't take much controversy to get on the front page of the paper. and when that one college program wins head coaches become more powerful than governors and senators, when they lose they become more disliked than governors and senators.


and for my game prediction, from an arkansas homer perspective...

big 10 defenses don't like to blitz, and don't like to take much risk with corners and safeties when they do. mallett only struggles under pressure. given the ability to simply make the reads and make the throws, he's the best pro style QB in college football. petrino's offense is similar to the gameplan of sean payton with the saints. i'm not comparing mallett to drew brees, mind you, but the playcalling philosophy is the same. petrino doesn't check down against cover 2, he attacks the 20-30 yard sideline hole regardless of down situation, even if mallett misses the throws he calls those plays anyway. if a team shows him cover 0 on third down, he throws deep (or even on 4th and 3, look at the LSU highlights).

the downside of this is frustration when the deep ball isn't there. mallett has forced throws, he's not scared to throw picks particularly in the red zone. sometimes we run up 45-50 points on ranked opponents, sometimes we wind up with 3 picks and 3 second half points like we did against saban. alot of that comes down to the opponent's ability to take away the tight end. as with most NFL offenses, the tight end is the third down maker and the key to the arkansas offense. we don't check to RBs, we check to the TE. DJ Williams is the best TE in the nation from a receiving perspective, and teams that can cover him effectively can make mallett wait too long and/or panic at times. alot depends on WHO takes DJ away. if it's a superstar linebacker, that's an issue. if it's a safety mallett will throw deep in the safety's absence and typically hit on the deep ball, our receivers all have world class speed.

defensively, we're coached by the former steelers secondary coach from the cowher days. so although it's a 4-3, it has a lot of 3-4 elements. he will corner/safety blitz quite a bit, especially until the QB/receivers prove they can read it and beat it properly. we have a converted safety as our #1 LB so he will drop the LB while blitzing a corner, as you see said steelers do with james harrison. shooting for sacks and fishing for picks is the basic philosophy.

the downside to our defense is to get that speed at LB we are small. we solve small by 8 in the box to stop the run, while letting the corners play man to man. the corners for the most part have been pretty good, tackling early in the year on big dumb running QBs and bigger RBs was suspect by safeties at and LBs at times in the year but has improved of late. our D linemen are run stoppers, there are no every-down sack threats on the D line per se. the corners are the best players on the D side of the ball, along with a darren sharper type safety who isn't necessarily a great cover guy but has a nose for picks and fumbles (rudell crim). unfortunately you won't see our best corner (ramon broadway), he's out for the year with a broken ankle, but the replacement from his second game on has been solid from a coverage perspective.

i think it honestly comes down to who gets the chance to nurse a lead. both teams are overly effective at running the ball in the 3rd and 4th, we have the best RB statistically in the SEC with the vast majority of his work game by game from the mid 3rd on through the 4th. either team can put the other away, it's simply a matter of who has a chance to do it first.

if the hogs lose it will be due to red zone turnovers from mallett. if OSU loses it will be because arkansas sacks pryor and creates unlikely 3rd downs. since we know tressel doesn't gamble, will he call the deep ball on 3rd and long? will he pull a safety up to blitz mallett and risk giving up the deep ball? if he plays too conservative as he did against florida and LSU in the title games, we'll wind up with an advantage in TOP and total possessions and given scoring threat alone, win the game based on that.
 
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just a little side note here, in under 12 hours Arkansas has popped up with more devoted and reasonable fans than Southern Cal, Miami (FL), and Oregon combined in the last three years... impressive

I hope some of the Arkansas fans stick around if the Sugar Bowl is the destination of both of our teams, look forward to the conversations

the best part is, as far as I can tell, Arkansas fans don't seem to think they have a [insert phase of the game] like Ohio State has never seen before!1!!eleventy! to the point where we won't know what hit us!

my very early thought on the game is that Mallet is not very mobile and prone to making ill advised throws (or at least it seems that way), I think the combination of pressure, confusion, and coverage that Ohio State's defense will be able to provide will be a big advantage for the Buckeyes

also, given that Heyward has underperformed for the most part (at least statistically) this year, will Arkansas focus their blocking schemes around him? if not, he could be in for a big day
 
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rnclittlerock;1824199; said:
and for my game prediction, from an arkansas homer perspective...

big 10 defenses don't like to blitz, and don't like to take much risk with corners and safeties when they do. mallett only struggles under pressure.

that's quite the broad stroke, and do you really think that Big Ten coordinators in general, and Ohio State's coordinators specifically, are so bad that they won't notice Mallet struggles under pressure and adjust their defensive game plan accordingly? that is, of course, operating under the assumption that they don't blitz, which is false in the first place

Ohio State is top ten in the country in interceptions with 18 on the year (1.5 per game), they didn't get there by not pressuring the quarterback

I guess you could argue that Ohio State gets pressure with just their front four because they are so damn good, which is true, but it really just depends on the time of the game

usually, Ohio State plays pretty standard defensive schemes early in the game to figure out what the opponent is trying to do, after a quarter or so (and sometimes into the second half) Ohio State makes adjustments and generally shuts down what the opponent is doing, which more often than not includes bringing blitzes

in the last three games, Ohio State's opponents have racked up 287 yards in the second half; combined

Ohio State will make adjustments on defense, and that will most likely include bringing a ton of pressure on Mallet, through blitzes or other wise... once again though, that is assuming that they won't be bringing blitzes like crazy right out of the gate, which is pretty likely as well
 
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Dryden;1824148; said:
Wow. I know the scenarios ... Arkansas is in if this or this happens, while South Carolina is in if this or this happens, but it never occured to me that your fate ... well ... you're actually depending on Auburn, of all fucking teams, to do something good for your benefit.

That has to suck. A lot.

And wouldn't it be really crazy if the Newton story broke between the end of the SEC CG and the bowls?
 
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It's great to see several good Arkansas fans on BP. We hope that some of you will stick around even after the Sugar Bowl, and even if the Buckeyes-Razorbacks matchup doesn't happen.

As a sign of appreciation, Buckeye fans, let's all try to remember that there are two 'T's at the end of Mallett.

C'mon, the guy's a legend, we should be able to correctly spell his name. :biggrin:
 
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Arkansas is pretty solid on all fronts.

Our offense can be an absolute machine at times. Lots of big plays in the passing game. Mallett can make every throw on the field, we have a very deep and talented set of receivers, including one of the best TEs in the nation this year in D.J. Williams who is pretty clutch.

Since the Auburn game, our run game has gotten pretty nasty as well. Knile Davis has emerged as genuine SEC quality featured back. His stats in just 7 games are better than anyone else in our league. His backup, Ronnie Wingo is a threat catching the ball on a wheel route out of the backfield.

On defense, we're a pretty no-name bunch. No real superstars, but solid. Our D line is deep and experienced - we'll play 7 or 8 guys. They have really grown up over the season and made the LSU Dline their women in the second half last week.

We're a little thin at LB and DB, but the starters are all more than serviceable. Last year we gave up lots of big plays on D, but that has improved dramatically this year. Coming into the year, all we heard was "great offense - no defense" and that narrative has kind of stuck but it isn't really accurate. Don't underestimate our defense.

We've lost 3 key players to injuries but otherwise we're healthy. The time off between now and January will insure any nicks and bumps are healed.

Dennis Johnson would have been the man at RB, but went down with a gruesome bowel injury. Yes, a bowel injury. I'm not sure how that happens.

Greg Childs, our best receiver went down a few weeks back with a knee injury, but has been admirably replaced by Cobi Hamilton who probably won the LSU game with two 80 yard TDs and a clutch catch on an onside kick at the end.

Our best Dback, Ramon Broadway, went down a few weeks back with an ankle injury, but our #2s have filled in for him nicely - so far.

We have a solid kicking game. Freshman FG and PAT kicker Zach Hocker has been consistently good all year with only 2 (maybe 3) misses. His long was from 51 yards out.

Here is our glaring weakness: Kickoff coverage and kick returns. We are pretty consistently terrible at kickoff coverage. We will give up at least one, usually two, long kickoff returns per game. Our punt coverage isn't nearly as bad, but it's a long way from good.

We're not particularly good at returning kicks either. Dennis Johnson - he of the gruesome bowel injury - was our kick returner and he was a real threat to break one every time. Since he went down no one has really stepped up.

Another sore spot is how our defense starts games. They are susceptible early in the game to the big play. It seems to take them a while to warm up and settle in.


I'm looking forward to learning more about your team in the coming weeks - providing Auburn takes care of the Gamecocks this weekend - and I'll be happy to have a dialog about our team.

My first question is, what is y'alls glaring weakness, if you have any?
 
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