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Game Thread Sugar Bowl: tOSU vs Arkansas, Tue, Jan 4th, 8:30 ET ESPN

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SmoovP;1824261; said:
My first question is, what is y'alls glaring weakness, if you have any?

the single biggest problem for Ohio State this year, in my opinion, has been the offense's inability to get first downs and stay on the field early in games

the defense, for the most part, has bailed the team out by keeping the game close enough to allow the offense to come back once they start moving the ball, but it creates a tremendous strain on the defense

Ohio State has been able to come back to win games, but if they go down by too much and the opposing offense can grind the clock (see: Wisconsin), which Arkansas seems fully capable of doing, that could be a serious problem
 
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BB73;1824254; said:
It's great to see several good Arkansas fans on BP. We hope that some of you will stick around even after the Sugar Bowl, and even if the Buckeyes-Razorbacks matchup doesn't happen.

As a sign of appreciation, Buckeye fans, let's all try to remember that there are two 'T's at the end of Mallett.

C'mon, the guy's a legend, we should be able to correctly spell his name. :biggrin:

To be honest, we're used to seeing Mallett's name spelled incorrectly, though with some of our SEC brethren it's because they simply don't realize the correct way to spell it. Of course, several times throughout the week we'll hear about how bad our Hogs will "loose" our game too.

I will say that Mallett has improved a great deal from last year when it comes to his footwork. In his Frosh year at scUM, he was much like he was last year on The Hill, a statue. In the offseason, Bobby P. and Garrick McGhee really had him working on getting his feet set and not relying strictly on the arm to make the throw. It was actually a blessing in disguise when he broke his foot as it made him develop a more controlled stance from which to throw.

Hell, he's even had a few positive runs from scrimmage this year and his been a little more difficult to get to the ground on sacks too.

Our defense has seen mobile QB's(Cameron Newton, Jerrod Johnson, Jordan Jefferson) and pocket passers(Greg McElroy, Aaron Murray,) and whatever you call Jeremiah Masoli. We've seen outstanding RB's in the Bama duo, the Auburn group, Marcus Lattimore(USCe). The D plays inconsistently throughout the game, but is a "bend, don't break" philosophy. They do have the tendency to come up with the right play at the right time though as they did against LSU at the end of the game with the sack/fumble on JJ at the goal line.

It will be an interesting match-up if the game comes to fruition. It's always fun to watch your team go up against opponents that are among the elite in college football.
 
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rnclittlerock;1824199; said:
petrino landed in our laps. jeff long (pitt) was our new AD hire, and he knew petrino from his big east days. petrino wanted out of atlanta with vick going to prison and the team quitting on the season due to vick being gone, and with the SEC being the preferred conference for any coach due to the ESPN/CBS TV deals, we were the best job available.


A ridiculous claim. What Bobby Petrino did to the Falcons makes me want to puke. He was with the team for less than 6 months and left before the season ended. The team was vastly inferior to the resurgent Saints and Gruden's Bucs teams - but the only person that quit was Petrino.

As someone who paid $400 dollars for season tickets that year, players like Joey Harrington, Alge Crumpler, Lawyer Milloy and Keith Brookings gave absolute maximum effort and he quit when things got too hard.

Welcome to the board.
 
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The Buckeyes have a very solid defense (3rd nationally in scoring D, 2nd in total defense, 4th in passing efficiency defense), but they were susceptible to a power running game at Wisconsin. But it takes a very special running game to be able to pound on tOSU, Wiscy was able to do it, but I'm not sure if another team in the country would be able to.

The secondary has been hit with a lot of injuries, and although the corners are fairly solid, there are some concerns about Buckeye safeties in the minds of tOSU fans, so Mallett would certainly take a few deep shots if he faces the Buckeye defense.

On offense, tOSU runs multiple sets, and sometimes starts slowly while trying to settle into games. tOSU has been effective running out of the 'I' behind old-school FB Zach Boren. When teams stack the box, tOSU isn't afraid to throw the ball, but are somewhat conservative in the types of throws that Pryor is asked to make. He is pretty effective on rollouts, and is very dangerous on scrambles, but for some reason isn't as productive as one would expect on designed running plays. Part of that may be due to only a few of those being called each game, in order to minimize the hits on Pryor, since the backups are significantly less threatening.

Pryor has also been hobbled by injuries. He strained a quad against Illinois, and the next week he just sat in the pocket and picked apart Indiana. Wiscy saw this on film, and they decided to drop back, and not worry too much about Pryor's running ability. Since the leg was still bothering TP that strategy was effective. For a bowl game, I wouldn't count on using that, though, since he'll be healthy and there's no later games to save him for this season.

On special teams, tOSU gave up 2 TDs to Miami, and several other long returns early in the year, but in the last 3 games that's been cleaned up. The punter is just OK, and tOSU's FG kicker is reliable but doesn't attempt very many from beyond 45 yards. He did nail a key 48-yarder at Iowa.

The return game is solid, as both Jordan Hall and Jaamal Berry are threats - Hall had a near TD on a punt at Minny and an 85-yard kickoff TD last week. So that sounds like something that should concern Hog fans.
 
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BB73;1824272; said:
The return game is solid, as both Jordan Hall and Jaamal Berry are threats - Hall had a near TD on a punt at Minny and an 85-yard kickoff TD last week. So that sounds like something that should concern Hog fans.

Our kick return game is poor. We're as thrilled as a Red Stick native with a sack of corndogs when we score, but then get sick when we line up to kickoff afterward. I think our KO specialist, Alex Tejada, had more tackles than the rest of our coverage unit last week against LSU.
 
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SweetSwineoMine;1824278; said:
Our kick return game is poor. We're as thrilled as a Red Stick native with a sack of corndogs when we score, but then get sick when we line up to kickoff afterward. I think our KO specialist, Alex Tejada, had more tackles than the rest of our coverage unit last week against LSU.
LSU... Corndogs.... same paragraph....

This was no mistake. :wink2:
 
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Weakness? We got one hell of a field goal kicker. Unfortunately we have had to call upon his services far too often.

Re-watching the Michigan game I began to suspect that TP has been playing hurt. He didn't have the acceleration he had early in the season and seemed to almost stop running on a couple of plays. The same was true last year at this point in time, but when he was needed against Oregon he came through. When he's right he can make folks look silly.
 
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Welcome to BP Arkansas!

EireHog;1824149; said:
Ha!

I thought you just might have had a subsection of the board for Michigan fans-- or at least the pretender class among them. The sort who follow the team in Ann Arbor, but that haven't been able to crack the rigorous entry requirements of Eastern Michigan.

Please refrain from tying That School Up North with the one in Ypsi-tucky. As an alumnus of the latter, I understand the lack of academic prowess at Eastern; however, it's well above the pale when it comes to the character of people compared to that Whore due west.

If tOSU had offered a degree in what I intended as a profession; then I would have gladly accepted that minority scholarship (white appalachian) and gone to C-bus. Unfortunately, I was not able to get said degree there; but my fervency for my home state's teams did not diminish. As a matter of fact, it was like metal forged in the flames of hell being 10 minutes from that dump.

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Buckeye86;1824216; said:
that's quite the broad stroke, and do you really think that Big Ten coordinators in general, and Ohio State's coordinators specifically, are so bad that they won't notice Mallet struggles under pressure and adjust their defensive game plan accordingly? that is, of course, operating under the assumption that they don't blitz, which is false in the first place

Ohio State is top ten in the country in interceptions with 18 on the year (1.5 per game), they didn't get there by not pressuring the quarterback

I guess you could argue that Ohio State gets pressure with just their front four because they are so damn good, which is true, but it really just depends on the time of the game

usually, Ohio State plays pretty standard defensive schemes early in the game to figure out what the opponent is trying to do, after a quarter or so (and sometimes into the second half) Ohio State makes adjustments and generally shuts down what the opponent is doing, which more often than not includes bringing blitzes

in the last three games, Ohio State's opponents have racked up 287 yards in the second half; combined

Ohio State will make adjustments on defense, and that will most likely include bringing a ton of pressure on Mallet, through blitzes or other wise... once again though, that is assuming that they won't be bringing blitzes like crazy right out of the gate, which is pretty likely as well

Not the OP, but to offer the logical responses-

Big Ten teams are like any other teams-- they should be expected to blitz as situationally appropriate. I fully expect OSU to chose it's spots to bring heat, and I think it's a terrible idea to blitz Arkansas heavily-- and I'll even go so far as to explain why.

There are 3 basic options for blitz designs when facing a 3, 4, or 5 WR front; you can bring the linebacker(s) on the edge, the linebacker(s) in the middle, or you can blitz from the slot/corner. There are hundreds of variants from zone blitzes to spy option blitzes, but it all generally boils down to these three sorts.

Teams that bring the exterior linebackers have trouble against Arkansas because of the tunnel screen game and the backside throwback off of the PA fake; if the end doesn't get a quick release, the backer is going to get thrown over by a tall QB. It really helps that the WRs are extremely physical blockers who are very good at not getting called for holding in the open field when locked up with CBs and FS/SS. Of the blitz options, this is the one that is most likely to mess up the timing of the Arkansas offense, and the one I expect to see OSU use most frequently, as it requires multiple reads by multiple offensive players to be negated.

Teams that bring the interior linebackers open up crossing routes and throws under 10-20 yards down the seams. DJ Williams has the best numbers of any TE in America for a reason. If OSU goes this route, it's going to be a very long day for the entire secondary trying to tackle Williams.

Blitzing off of the corner or slot is appealing at first glance; you take, hopefully, some of the vertical aspects out of the Arkansas passing game, and put your good tackling to best use. This, however, puts you in the position of making 7 out of every 8 stops, and still giving up 3-4 huge plays. Arkansas tends to shift towards a misdirection based running attack when confronted by the blitz off of the extreme edge, and if you show success in actually getting after the quarterback, a nasty habit of using the backside RB or TE protector to set up a slip screen or wheel, to where the blitzer just vacated. The throw-over effect comes into play here, and the read-recognition by your safeties in deep zone in coming up to fill where the blitzer has vacated will be key, particularly if you have any concerns about your interior backside pursuit once play recognition occurs.

To me, the best option is not to blitz Mallett at all, save for very obvious situational blitzing to force quick throws on 3rd and 2nd and long. Drop a ton of guys into coverage, and force him to think about things. Eventually, he will rely on his arm and force the football, and when he does, OSU has to force the turnover to get inside his head and make him press.

You'll give up yardage, but the points can be limited in that fashion; from what I've seen of your front four, there is plenty of talent there-- Mallett isn't going to run around to make time. Eventually pass protection will break down. I know you seem to like to twist your ends a lot, which I don't think will be to your advantage if trying to bring base pressure. You'd be better served to just line 'em up and go at them.

The Alabama game should be the blueprint for attacking the Hogs offense-- but one of the most common misperceptions of that game is that Alabama blitzed like crazy and forced the bad throws. In truth, during the last 3 quarters of the game, Alabama blitzed a total of once on first down, and none at all on 2nd downs of 7 yards or less. While they did bring heat, they did so judiciously; most importantly, they were extremely physical with DJ Williams, so there was an extra half second for Mallett to think while his best zone-buster got back on route. Williams is the anti-zone safety blanket, and if you can get him off track, Mallett will look elsewhere, and that's when problems arise.
 
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Thanks for the great response.
EireHog;1824294; said:
There are 3 basic options for blitz designs when facing a 3, 4, or 5 WR front;


based on this, I am assuming that Arkansas operates primarily out of these sets, how do you think the Arkansas offensive line can hold up to an outstanding front four, minus any blitzing?
 
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Buckeye86;1824298; said:
Thanks for the great response.

based on this, I am assuming that Arkansas operates primarily out of these sets, how do you think the Arkansas offensive line can hold up to an outstanding front four, minus any blitzing?


Pretty well. I was a little shocked to see your sack rates were so low, as a team, with the talent that you have. I'd put OSU's front 4 as the 3rd most talented group the Hogs have seen this year, but probably 2nd in terms of fundamental play.

Keep in mind, while the perception is that you can get to Mallett and hit Mallett a ton, it hasn't been borne out in the actual numbers. He's sacked twice a game, which is about the national average, despite playing in a league filled with defenses that are much more kill-the-QB than the Big Ten.

The real question of the game for me, in terms of pass protection, is Pryor. Arkansas gets after the quarterback, often to the detriment of the overall passing defense; if you guys can hold up in pass pro, I fully expect OSU to put at least 28 on the board.
 
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