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I'm missing how the 'average' numbers under the TE spots were calculated.
Why isn't tOSU's 4.83?
Why isn't tOSU's 4.83?
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BGriffBuckeye
Haaaang on Sloopy, Sloopy Hang on!! O.. H.. I.. O.
I recognized that after I posted it.. I put a note underneath already.BB73;970320; said:
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Gatorubet
Loathing All Things Georgia
I just noticed that you have Riley Cooper at 4.53. Uh-uh. He is a 4.4 type guy, one of the fastest guys on the team, as fast as Caldwell and almost as fast as Harvin. He ran a a 6.25 60-yard dash at a professional baseball combine before his senior season at Clearwater Central Catholic, and was a projected first round pick.
I found this quote... "I've not coached that many with that speed," UF coach Urban Meyer said. "I've coached some fast big receivers, but not with the top-end speed he has. If he gets quicker out of the shoot, he could be one of the better (wide receivers) in America. He has blazing speed."
How that gets to a 4.53 on the site you found I do not know, but I question that. You did a great piece of work and it took time and I thank you, but if it was not accurate info through no fault of your own, then WTF?:(
I found this quote... "I've not coached that many with that speed," UF coach Urban Meyer said. "I've coached some fast big receivers, but not with the top-end speed he has. If he gets quicker out of the shoot, he could be one of the better (wide receivers) in America. He has blazing speed."
How that gets to a 4.53 on the site you found I do not know, but I question that. You did a great piece of work and it took time and I thank you, but if it was not accurate info through no fault of your own, then WTF?:(
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Would have loved to see that graphic last year. 230 lb Roy Hall running a scorching 4.35. Ginn & Gonzo ran in the 4.3 range while at OSU... gonzo beating him on multiple occasions.
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OCBucksFan
I won a math debate
daveeb;970536; said:
There's 5 reasons they won that game, in this order:
5) Horrible Injury to Ginn.
4) Our O line vs their D Line.
3) A gameplan that we'd never seen on video, props to Meyer for that.
2) Overconfident tOSU team.
1) Florida was a better team than us.
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Pittman was basically ignored other than the TD drive where he had major success.
Heacock refused to attack (partially to protect certain DBs), the exact opposite recipe any successful D had used against shakeable Leak.
Your #2 is easily #1, and has been in many BCS games thus far. They had the talent to make it a game, but showed up over-confident, overweight (some) and ill-prepared against a hungry gator squad.
Heacock refused to attack (partially to protect certain DBs), the exact opposite recipe any successful D had used against shakeable Leak.
Your #2 is easily #1, and has been in many BCS games thus far. They had the talent to make it a game, but showed up over-confident, overweight (some) and ill-prepared against a hungry gator squad.
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Since we do not have any head to head match-ups with the Big Ten (BT)and the SEC this year one of the ways to compare the two is to look at who they have played. As of last week's games here are the respective conferences records against out of conference foes (OOC).
SEC 30-5 86% win percentage
Big Ten 32-8 80% win percentage
As you see the SEC has the better record to date although the SEC has 13 more OOC games compared to only four for the BT. In addition the records (through 10/20) of their OCC opponents and future games is W134-L143. But before you start pointing a finger the BT's opponents record is even worse at W106-L150. On paper it looks like the SEC has the upper hand again, right?
To answer that question one has to dig deeper into the numbers. Who have they (the conferences) really played? Have they played traditional powers, at lot of mid majors or Football Champion Subdivision(FCS) (formerly Div I-AA). I broke it down into three parts, BCS Division Schools (Big Ten, SEC, ACC, Pac Ten, Big 12, Big East and ND), Other Division 1 (Sun Belt, MAC, WAC, Mt. West, C-USA, other independants). Here are the numbers through (10/20):
BCS Schools
SEC 5-5 .500
Big Ten 9-4 .692
Other Div. 1
SEC 18-0 1.000
Big Ten 18-2 .900
FCS
SEC 7-0 1.000
Big Ten 5-2 .714 (Thanks Michigan and Minny)
Games remaining SEC (13) 4 BCS, 6 Other, 3 FCS
Big Ten (4) 4 Other
One could make a leap and state that the SEC has built it's reputation on scheduling the little guys and when they do step up to the "big boys" their results are rather pedestrian and worse than the Big Ten. To be fair the winning/lossrecords of the SEC foes at the BCS level is a stellar 61-26 (S. Florida 6-1, VT 6-1, WVU 6-1, Missouri 6-1, Cal 5-2). By the way the SEC was 1-4 in those games. The Big Ten is at 18-41 (ND 1-7, Duke 1-6, Syracuse 2-6, Iowa St. 1-7). What does all this mean? Is the SEC a paper tiger or are they the monster the W/L records suggest? Is the Big Ten really this hopeless or are they a victim of bad press and embarassing losses (see Michigan, Minny and NW at Duke)? Guess we will have to wait till Bowl season.....
Not trying to make a case one way or another just thought I would add this piece for discussion......
SEC 30-5 86% win percentage
Big Ten 32-8 80% win percentage
As you see the SEC has the better record to date although the SEC has 13 more OOC games compared to only four for the BT. In addition the records (through 10/20) of their OCC opponents and future games is W134-L143. But before you start pointing a finger the BT's opponents record is even worse at W106-L150. On paper it looks like the SEC has the upper hand again, right?
To answer that question one has to dig deeper into the numbers. Who have they (the conferences) really played? Have they played traditional powers, at lot of mid majors or Football Champion Subdivision(FCS) (formerly Div I-AA). I broke it down into three parts, BCS Division Schools (Big Ten, SEC, ACC, Pac Ten, Big 12, Big East and ND), Other Division 1 (Sun Belt, MAC, WAC, Mt. West, C-USA, other independants). Here are the numbers through (10/20):
BCS Schools
SEC 5-5 .500
Big Ten 9-4 .692
Other Div. 1
SEC 18-0 1.000
Big Ten 18-2 .900
FCS
SEC 7-0 1.000
Big Ten 5-2 .714 (Thanks Michigan and Minny)
Games remaining SEC (13) 4 BCS, 6 Other, 3 FCS
Big Ten (4) 4 Other
One could make a leap and state that the SEC has built it's reputation on scheduling the little guys and when they do step up to the "big boys" their results are rather pedestrian and worse than the Big Ten. To be fair the winning/lossrecords of the SEC foes at the BCS level is a stellar 61-26 (S. Florida 6-1, VT 6-1, WVU 6-1, Missouri 6-1, Cal 5-2). By the way the SEC was 1-4 in those games. The Big Ten is at 18-41 (ND 1-7, Duke 1-6, Syracuse 2-6, Iowa St. 1-7). What does all this mean? Is the SEC a paper tiger or are they the monster the W/L records suggest? Is the Big Ten really this hopeless or are they a victim of bad press and embarassing losses (see Michigan, Minny and NW at Duke)? Guess we will have to wait till Bowl season.....
Not trying to make a case one way or another just thought I would add this piece for discussion......
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W/o reading this entire thread, I'll freely admit, the SEC on a whole is a "faster" league than ours. They usually beat us in bowl games but with that said, most bowl games against them are played in their geographical region but I have no problem admitting the competition in their league and level of athlete is superior to ours.
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There are a few different things to point to for this season that really hurt the Big Ten.Wingate1217;970697; said:
#1: Minnesota firing Glen Mason. Tim Brewster may wind up being a decent HC down the line, but I don't think the Gophers can expect anything better than Mason ever pulled off. Hey Gophers, the 50's are over! You're not going to be a national power again, so stop firing your good coaches thinking you can get somebody better. Mason did as well as any coach could do with the facilities and talent he had. I don't think his squads would get embarrassed by BGSU, FAU, NDST, or need to go for two against NW to get a win. Bottom line: The Big 10 lost eight OOC games this year. Brewster was responsible for three of them.
You could add a 1A here with the passing of Randy Walker. Pat Fitzgerald may wind up being a fine coach down the road, but he's in over his head right now. Nothing made that more evident than his giving away a game to Duke with some horrific decision making -- it was Les Miles bad, and he doesn't have the kind of talent that can bail him out of his own mistakes like Les does.
#2: Everybody relying on Notre Dame being a quality win. Usually not a problem, so long as ND is actually decent. Michigan, Michigan St, Penn St, and Purdue all taking turns beating on Notre Dame doesn't mean jack when ND is terrible, though.
#3: Wasting the 12th game. We used to dog the SEC for scheduling their 1-AA in state patsies, then turn around and see the entire Big 10 conference do the same damn thing in 2007. Bigger problem is: U of M scheduled last years 1-AA champs, and Minnesota scheduled a team that could probably be this years 1-AA champs if they weren't in the provisional category having just moved up from Div II. Wisconsin struggles against Citadel. Oops.
#4: The decline of the MAC. The Mid American Conference isn't what it used to be. Five to seven years ago, the MAC had four or five great football teams, great coaches, and great QBs. BGSU had Urban Meyer. Miami Ohio had Terry Hoeppner. Toledo had Gary Pinkel. Marshall was still in the MAC, and had Bob Pruitt. Northern Illinois didn't stink. Decades long doormats, Buffalo and Temple, have more MAC victories than OSU's two MAC opponents, Kent St and Akron, have this season. That's a problem.
Again, in comparison to the SEC, the Big 10's OOC schedule used to be significantly more challenging with every Big 10 team playing a MAC foe, while the SEC teams typically scheduled a Sun Belt foe. The MAC used to be far and away superior to the Sun Belt. Now? I'm really not sure.
I would not be surprised if Troy (no, not the 'Men of Troy,' but Troy, Alabama) gives us a better game next year than any of our recent MAC opponents have since that escape against Marshall in 2004.
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