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Some BCS facts for your SEC friends

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BrutusBobcat;1852001; said:
This is one of the better comments in this thread. In a discussion two days ago, I was recounting the B10 coaching legends that John Cooper had to face - Schembechler, Hayden Fry, Alvarez, Paterno in his prime, and for the "lesser" programs, some of their more successful coaches like Joe Tiller and Gary Barnett, Glen Mason and even Nick Saban's brief tenure at MSU.

By contrast, has there been a single year during Tressel's run that we could look across at the opposite sideline in envy? It's not even been close. There's no doubt that the coaching talent in the conference has been lacking in the past decade when compared to the 1990's.
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GeorgiaBuck2;1851985; said:
Tell that to Conner Crowell.

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Lots of other schools (including Ohio State) are certainly making strong inroads in those areas because of Penn State's lackadaisical recruiting efforts over the past few years but get a young aggressive recruiter in Happy Valley and the Nits will be sitting in the cat bird seat for most of the kids the region once again.
 
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GeorgiaBuck2;1852010; said:
Biellema and Fitzgerald are two fine coaches in my opinion. Their teams play hard and don't give up. Northwestern was out matched in their bowl game but they fought till the end and almost made the comeback.
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I agree on Fitz, but I just can't see Bulemia in that light. Just reminds me too much of Thunderdome.
 
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Zurp;1638604; said:
Going back and looking at the BCS Bowls since 1998 (the first year of the BCS), I got all the winners and losers of all of the games. A win in a BCS game counts as 3 points for that team, and a loss counts as 1 point. And if that game happens to be the national championship game, it counts as double.

Tied for first place are USC and Ohio State, with 23 points. Then Florida (22), LSU (18), Oklahoma (17), Miami (14), Texas (14), and Florida State (13), followed by 35 teams who have 8 points or fewer.

SEC teams have a total of 65 points, which is 19 points higher than the Big Ten, with 46. Big 12 has 42. (ACC is in 4th place with 37 points, but that includes Miami, Boston College, and Virginia Tech in the ACC, and some of those points should be counted in the Big East. Since I don't really care enough to separate them, I won't bother.)

Big Ten teams have played in 21 BCS games (maximum of 24, in 12 seasons). SEC teams have played in 19 BCS games. This gives the SEC an average of 3.421 points per BCS game, and the Big Ten 2.190 points per BCS game. This means that Florida's win over Cincinnati in the Sugar Bowl actually lowered the SEC's average score.

Of course, I don't think that a conference's overall quality should be judged solely by their BCS outcomes, but it's hard to ignore these results.
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Updated to include this year's BCS bowl games:
Ohio State now leads with 26 points, followed by USC (23 - I counted the bowl win that the NCAA took away), Florida (22), Oklahoma (20), LSU (18), Miami (14), Texas (14), Florida State (13), and Auburn (9).

To break it down by conference (this time, I have Miami in the Big East (since none of their BCS games came while in the ACC) and Virginia Tech has some in the Big East, and some in the ACC):

72 SEC
50 Big Ten
45 Big 12
41 Pac 10
31 Big East
21 ACC
17 Non-AQ Teams
3 Independents

Points per game played:
3.429 SEC
2.563 Pac 10
2.500 Big 12
2.429 Non-AQ Teams
2.214 Big East
2.174 Big Ten
1.750 ACC
1.000 Independents
 
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Zurp;1854926; said:
Points per game played:
3.429 SEC
2.563 Pac 10
2.500 Big 12
2.429 Non-AQ Teams
2.214 Big East
2.174 Big Ten
1.750 ACC
1.000 Independents
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Hoooooooooly crap. The fact that this point structure has a maximum of 3 points, unless it's a title game, and the SEC's average game nets more than 3 points... that really illustrates just how dominant the SEC has been during the BCS era so far.
 
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BrutusBobcat;1852001; said:
This is one of the better comments in this thread. In a discussion two days ago, I was recounting the B10 coaching legends that John Cooper had to face - Schembechler, Hayden Fry, Alvarez, Paterno in his prime, and for the "lesser" programs, some of their more successful coaches like Joe Tiller and Gary Barnett, Glen Mason and even Nick Saban's brief tenure at MSU.

By contrast, has there been a single year during Tressel's run that we could look across at the opposite sideline in envy? It's not even been close. There's no doubt that the coaching talent in the conference has been lacking in the past decade when compared to the 1990's.
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Horseshit.

Schembechler won what...one fuckin' Rose Bowl in thirty fuckin' years? No NC's? Vloyd won a NC and JT ran him the fuck out of town. As to your other "coaching legends"...time will tell who compares, but imo...

most of the coaches you bring up besides Saban have done exactly what the fuck their successors have done...pretty much jack shit.
 
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Zurp;1638604; said:
Going back and looking at the BCS Bowls since 1998 (the first year of the BCS), I got all the winners and losers of all of the games. A win in a BCS game counts as 3 points for that team, and a loss counts as 1 point. And if that game happens to be the national championship game, it counts as double.
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Updated to include this year's BCS games.
(I know that this really isn't an SEC-only thing, but here is where I started this topic. If mods want to change this conversation to another thread, I'll only cry a little bit.)

26 Ohio State (6-3) (Yes, they keep their points from the 2011 Sugar Bowl)
23 USC (6-1) (Yes, they keep their points from whatever bowls they may have vacated)
22 Florida (5-1)
20 LSU (4-1)
20 Oklahoma (3-5)
14 Miami (3-1)
14 Texas (3-1)
14 Alabama (2-2)
13 Florida State (1-5)
Everyone else has below 10 points.

By conference, total points:
80 SEC - 23 games
54 Big Ten - 25 games
48 Big 12 - 19 games
45 Pac 12 - 18 games
33 Big East - 14 games
24 ACC - 15 games
17 Non-AQ's - 7 games
3 Independent - 3 games
(Crap - that has to be a mistake - in 14 years I have only 14 games for ACC, and no at-large teams. But they had one this year. Dang. I'll find the mistake.)
(edit - I found it - 2004 was the first year VT was in the ACC, not the last year to be in the Big East.)

(Note that I am somewhat certain that I properly split teams into the correct conferences by year. So Virginia Tech (9 points total) got some points for the Big East (2) and some points for the ACC (7). Also, I just renamed the Pac 10. All points they had now belong to the Pac 12.)

Average points per year and points per game:
SEC 6.15 ppy 3.48 ppg
Big Ten 4.15 ppy 2.16 ppg
Big 12 3.69 ppy 2.53 ppg
Pac 12 3.46 ppy 2.50 ppg
Big East 2.54 ppy 2.36 ppg
ACC 1.85 ppy 1.60 ppg
Non-AQ 1.31 ppy 2.43 ppg
Ind 0.23 ppy 1.00 ppg
 
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Zurp;2091974; said:
Updated to include this year's BCS games.
(I know that this really isn't an SEC-only thing, but here is where I started this topic. If mods want to change this conversation to another thread, I'll only cry a little bit.)

26 Ohio State (6-3) (Yes, they keep their points from the 2011 Sugar Bowl)
23 USC (6-1) (Yes, they keep their points from whatever bowls they may have vacated)
22 Florida (5-1)
20 LSU (4-1)
20 Oklahoma (3-5)
14 Miami (3-1)
14 Texas (3-1)
14 Alabama (2-2)
13 Florida State (1-5)
Everyone else has below 10 points.

By conference, total points:
80 SEC - 23 games
54 Big Ten - 25 games
48 Big 12 - 19 games
45 Pac 12 - 18 games
33 Big East - 14 games
24 ACC - 15 games
17 Non-AQ's - 7 games
3 Independent - 3 games
(Crap - that has to be a mistake - in 14 years I have only 14 games for ACC, and no at-large teams. But they had one this year. Dang. I'll find the mistake.)
(edit - I found it - 2004 was the first year VT was in the ACC, not the last year to be in the Big East.)

(Note that I am somewhat certain that I properly split teams into the correct conferences by year. So Virginia Tech (9 points total) got some points for the Big East (2) and some points for the ACC (7). Also, I just renamed the Pac 10. All points they had now belong to the Pac 12.)

Average points per year and points per game:
SEC 6.15 ppy 3.48 ppg
Big Ten 4.15 ppy 2.16 ppg
Big 12 3.69 ppy 2.53 ppg
Pac 12 3.46 ppy 2.50 ppg
Big East 2.54 ppy 2.36 ppg
ACC 1.85 ppy 1.60 ppg
Non-AQ 1.31 ppy 2.43 ppg
Ind 0.23 ppy 1.00 ppg
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Zurp - did you move Nebraska's points to the B1G column? Or will you leave them in Big 12 and just start accumulating their points as B1G related from here on out.
 
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BigWoof31;2092056; said:
Zurp - did you move Nebraska's points to the B1G column? Or will you leave them in Big 12 and just start accumulating their points as B1G related from here on out.
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The way I have it set up (and I think it is working properly) is that teams like Virginia Tech and Miami and Nebraska are on the list 3 times: one for one conference, one for another, and one combining the two. So Virginia Tech (Big East) has 2 points, Virginia Tech (ACC) has 7 points, and Virginia Tech has 9 points. So all of Nebraska's points (5) go to the Big 12 at the moment. If they make a BCS bowl next year, those points for the game next year will go to the Big Ten, but the original 5 points will stay with the Big 12.
 
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