Some BCS facts for your SEC friends

[3yardsandacloud]

Big Ten Conference vs Other Conferences

There you go.

Interesting. This information is correct ... and NOT correct depending on how you view the records. The link lists the all time record of BigTen vs SEC teams regardless of their historical conference affiliation.

Without doing the math, I believe the SEC has a better record vs the B10 when accounting for conference affiliation at the time of games played.

For instance, Michigan's sterling 19-5-1 record? 9 of those victories (and 1 loss) came against Vanderbilt before the SEC was even formed (1933). 1-1-0 vs So. Carolina, before they were SEC members. 1-0-0 vs Kentucky? 1908.

I think Indiana has some history with Kentucky before the SEC was formed as well. The point? Don't just throw out some numbers without knowing the story behind them. Might come back to bite you when an SEC fan points out the obvious flaw in the records argument.

 

[sandgk]

... Because of that, I would be interested to see the data adjusted to account for only the past 14 years. By going back further the Big Ten inherits Penn State's glory days, which are almost all before they ever joined the Big Ten in 1993. The 12-team SEC also was formed in 1992, though the addition of South Carolina and Arkansas hasn't brought in much in this time frame.

Good that you asked for this, as I discovered that the data I used yesterday conflated the historical and post '90 numbers.
I'll go back and correct the numbers after getting the COUNTIF() data on >90 and >94 1st rounders.
Then I'll put the spreadsheet into some type of holding cell as an upload - at least it will be available for general review and updating.

 

[Gatorubet]

Interesting. This information is correct ... and NOT correct depending on how you view the records. The link lists the all time record of BigTen vs SEC teams regardless of their historical conference affiliation.

Without doing the math, I believe the SEC has a better record vs the B10 when accounting for conference affiliation at the time of games played.

For instance, Michigan's sterling 19-5-1 record? 9 of those victories (and 1 loss) came against Vanderbilt before the SEC was even formed (1933). 1-1-0 vs So. Carolina, before they were SEC members. 1-0-0 vs Kentucky? 1908.

I think Indiana has some history with Kentucky before the SEC was formed as well. The point? Don't just throw out some numbers without knowing the story behind them. Might come back to bite you when an SEC fan points out the obvious flaw in the records argument.

Honestly, the tops are equals, with the depth of the SEC a little deeper. This January aside, it is clear to me that we are competitive. Recent Iowa games with UF and a loss to Michigan State demonstrated that. One more thing to argue about I suppose, but to say that you are better or we are better is meaningless sans a top to bottom head and head. That would be great for the fans, but it will never happen.

 

[Bill Lucas]

And in dog years, we have a seven year dominance over the Big 10....

Ummm, Mr. Skippy your conference was 1-2 against the Big 10 last year in bowl games so there was no "dominance" by your conference.

 

[muffler dragon]

nt

 

[Gatorubet]

Ummm, Mr. Skippy your conference was 1-2 against the Big 10 last year in bowl games so there was no "dominance" by your conference.

I'm terribly sorry, but the Dog Year officially starts the last game prior to Britney Spears loss of child custody, which puts you in the midst of the seven dog year loss streak...

And it does not address the pressing Julian versus Gregorian Calendar conundrum at all. :bicker:

 

[MD Buckeye]

wtf lol

 

[sandgk]

OK -corrected numbers

Year -- Big 10 -- SEC - Delta Per Team / Per Year
1990+ -- 96 --- 106 -- 0.106

1994+ -- 80 --- 89 --- 0.144

 

[Zurp]

to say that you are better or we are better is meaningless sans a top to bottom head and head.

Just for fun, let's say we set this up. Instead of bowl games or playoffs or whatever, we pair up the SEC and the Big Ten. How would you say we do this? #1 vs. #1 and #2 vs. #2 and so on? What happens when you get to that #12 spot? Do you just leave out that #12 team, as there is no #12 Big Ten team? The SEC has a slight advantage as they get to remove one team from the competition. And it's the team that would help the SEC the least.

I agree that it would be a fun thing to do. I'd have a feeling that one year, the SEC would win 8 of 11 games, and the SEC fans would have bragging rights for a year, while Big Ten fans would make lousy excuses. The next year, the Big Ten might win 8 games, and the roles of the fans would be reversed. So I don't know that it would actually "solve" anything, according to the fans. And you're right: it's never going to happen. The thing that has the best chances of happening is a pre-season deal like the ACC-Big Ten challenge in basketball.

 

[BGriffBuckeye]

Here is a more updated graphic comparing our speed to that of the 2 tops dogs in the SEC: LSU and Florida. I got the numbers from NFLDarftScout.com, which are updated throughout the player's stay at the university and are more accurate than the previous numbers I used from Rivals when they were recruits, which are rarely ever right. Anyways, take a look and come to your own conclusions. I used the guys that see the most PT, not the whole depth at the position. The kid can be fast as heck, but if they don't get on the field they don't count. Personally, I am blown away at the speed we have in the secondary and I was amazed how favorably we matched up with their DE speed.

Note: I used Torrence in stead of Sanzenbacher because he was next in line as far as WR stats go, since I could not find the Great Dane's NFL DS profile. The only QB I used was Tebow, for obvious reasons, since he is their leading rusher. I also could not find the time for Florida DT Clint McMillan or LSU DE Rahim Allen, but they start so I threw them in there, so their avg. times at each position could be a little misleading. Also, I wanted to throw Larimore in there for us but I could not find his NFL DS profile, either.

EDIT: A bit of an oversight on my part, but the TEs actually avg a 4.83 time for Ohio State, while LSUs average 4.87 and Florida's a 4.65. The set of numbers for the average here streched into the two lines above them (the last WR's time and the average WR time).

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Bgriff - nice work, but I noticed you have Tebow, but not Boeckman and not Flynn. Maybe this is because Tebow is a "running QB?"

 

[SNIPER26]

19-5-1 is misleading ... you're only 9-5 against teams not named Vanderbilt. :tongue2:

What are you saying? That Vandy isn't good? I'll have you know mister that Vanderbilt plays in the Greatest and Fastest Conference Ever (That phrase is trademarked and registered by the Southeastern Conference and may not be be used on any other conference without the SEC's expressed written consent which you will never get, no matter how many times you might beat them TM). These teams that play in the GAFC are superior to any team the NFL could ever offer. Vanderbilt would go 16-0 playing the Colts and Patriots 8 times each. So for Michigan to beat them 9 times is arguably our greatest feat ever, along with beating Appalachian State...

Wha----what's that you say? We lost to Appalachian State??????????????? WHAT THE FUCK?????

All kidding aside, 9-5 vs. God's conference is still pretty good. I'm still surprised we have a better record than you guys do.

 

[BGriffBuckeye]

Yeah, I said int he note at the bottom, and what you said is basically the reason. He is their leading rusher, and they don't even use James in the running game all that often, if at all, so they are lucky I threw him in there too.

 

[SNIPER26]

Here is a more updated graphic comparing our speed to that of the 2 tops dogs in the SEC: LSU and Florida. I got the numbers from NFLDarftScout.com, which are updated throughout the player's stay at the university and are more accurate than the previous numbers I used from Rivals when they were recruits, which are rarely ever right. Anyways, take a look and come to your own conclusions. I used the guys that see the most PT, not the whole depth at the position. The kid can be fast as heck, but if they don't get on the field they don't count. Personally, I am blown away at the speed we have in the secondary.

Note: I used Torrence in stead of Sanzenbacher because he was next in line as far as WR stats go, since I could not find the Great Dane's NFL DS profile. The only QB I used was Tebow, for obvious reasons, since he is their leading rusher. I also oculd not find the time for Florida DT Clint McMillan, but he starts so I threw him in there, so their DT avg. time could be a little misleading. Also, I wanted to throw Larimore in there for us but I could not find his NFL DS profile, either.

A nice find. However, your numbers are off. LSU and Florida play in the SEC, and that takes off .5 off their 40 times and adds .5 to yours . So Trindon Holliday is really running a 3.72 and Mo Wells, the fastest guy from what I saw (I quickly skimmed) really runs a 4.92. Silly Big 10 homer

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Yeah, I said int he note at the bottom, and what you said is basically the reason. He is their leading rusher, and they don't even use James in the running game all that often, if at all, so they are lucky I threw him in there too.

Cool, must have missed the note at the bottom.... did you change it :p