Some BCS facts for your SEC friends

[JohnLSU]

263 / 12 = 21.9 players per SEC team on NFL rosters.
234 / 11 = 21.3 players per Big Ten team on NFL rosters.
Pretty damn even, if you ask me. But feel free to count 0.6 as a win, if you really want to.

But you can't divide it by team, that's not how it works. The good kids cluster at powerhouse programs, that's what makes them a powerhouse.

ACTIVE NFL PLAYERS BY SEC SCHOOL
Tennessee 36
Georgia 35
LSU 33
Auburn 32
Florida 31
Alabama 21
South Carolina 19
Ole Miss 17
Miss. State 17
Arkansas 12
Kentucky 6
Vanderbilt 5
TOTALS 264

As for Ohio State, they have like 50 or something, I think. Like I said, the kids cluster at certain programs. But break down the Big Ten or ACC, and my assumption is that most of those active NFL players came from two powerhouses in those conference, whereas the SEC is more spread out among 5 powerhouses.

 

[Jaxbuck]

So sure, the Big Ten has been hanging with the SEC (although your talent clusters at Ohio State and Michigan, whereas our is spread among several powerhouses).

Hanging with you guys? Its the other way around.

9 years into the BCS and we lead head to head in Bowls 13-11. Even if you win 2 of 3 this year it only gets the SEC to even, on the field, head to head in Bowl games. Is a 2 game advantage domination? Of course not but we aren't the ones running around talking about how much better we are than the SEC.

If the B10 is so weak after scUM and OSU how do you explain those numbers when our "best" team, OSU, is 0-3 vs the SEC in that span? The rest of the B10 has to be more than carrying their own weight.

You can keep the polls, to think there isn't some heavy bias involved in those things is disengenious at best.

I still haven't heard one good explination as to how a conference with only 2 good teams and so many less NFL caliber players is able to have a winning record head to head when our top teams meet.

 

[JohnLSU]

break down the Big Ten or ACC, and my assumption is that most of those active NFL players came from two powerhouses in those conference, whereas the SEC is more spread out among 5 powerhouses.

Yeah, see:

The SEC had five of its schools with 30-or-more-players on NFL rosters, the ACC has two, the Big 10 has 1.

NFL PLAYERS BY SCHOOL

Miami 46
Ohio State 44
Florida State 41
Tennessee 36
Georgia 35
LSU 33
Auburn 32
Florida 31

 

[Steve19]

We shouldn't forget some of the urban migration issues. The Rust Belt and Northeast quadrant have been slower growing in recent decades, with many areas experiencing negative growth, and there has been a lot of migration of skilled and highly-educated people to the South and West, even if one wouldn't guess that from some of the posters that make their way here.

Job migration has been a major influence on migration and slow demographic growth. Some states in this area have been bleeding jobs for years.

Michigan has been particularly hard hit. Wisconsin, Illinois and Western Pennsylvania also have lost many quality jobs.

This has an underlying effect on donations to a university, alumni support, and other issues that can have a long-term effect on a University and its sports programs, by affecting quality of life and the overall attractiveness of employment at a university. For instance, relative quality of life can affect the choices that coaches, sports administrators and others make.

Let us be honest. The winter weather sucks in the Midwest, with the traditional 200 cold, cloudy, drizzly days in November and early December every year. But in the past, the great jobs and living standard made that seem pretty inconsequential. These days, job quality is no longer a competitive advantage for the Northern states. And that has a lot of knock-on effects. Know anyone trying to sell a house in Ann Arbor or Detroit these days? I do, and it's not pretty.

Columbus has always been an innovative cutting-edge economy. Three decades ago it was the original "research triangle" (see the comments in Alvin Toffler's "Future Shock" about Columbus). Columbus has lost a lot of that edge in recent years but it remains a very healthy economy offering very high quality of life, as this "top cities to live in" polls show.

Ohio State's problem is that many surrounding states where Big Ten schools are located are having problems, especially Michigan (not to mention the food shortage in South Bend). Iowa and other agricultural states will be feeling the pinch big time in coming years, unless biofuel initiatives boost agriculture more.

The Big Ten remains a major conference with some of the world's leading universities. It will reassert that position in coming years in major sports when this brief down-cycle ends. However, Big Ten universities need to remind their government stakeholders that more needs to be done to create quality jobs (it's low taxes and less bureaucracy for business start-ups, stupid).

 

[Jaxbuck]

Yeah, see:

The SEC had five of its schools with 30-or-more-players on NFL rosters, the ACC has two, the Big 10 has 1.

NFL PLAYERS BY SCHOOL

Miami 46
Ohio State 44
Florida State 41
Tennessee 36
Georgia 35
LSU 33
Auburn 32
Florida 31

OK, now match that up with the fact that top B10 school is 0-3 vs the SEC but the B10 still has a winning record head to head.

Either the SEC coaching is real bad or our non-OSU teams aren't nearly as bad as everyone would like to believe.

 

[schwab]

9 years into the BCS and we lead head to head in Bowls 13-11. Even if you win 2 of 3 this year it only gets the SEC to even, on the field, head to head in Bowl games.

I'm sure you won't mind being wrong here, Jaxbuck. If we drop 2 of 3 to the SEC this year, that makes it 14-13 Big Ten. They would need all 3 to have a 14-13 advantage on us, and that just straight up goes against all recent history .

 

[schwab]

Either the SEC coaching is real bad or our non-OSU teams aren't nearly as bad as everyone would like to believe.

Take your pick! Let's say we get that one bowl win this year against the SEC, we go into next season still holding the BCS era bowl advantage, with the only possibility being that the Big 10 gets stronger next season. I don't mean at the top, either.

As far as SEC coaches go, there was more organization when my kindergarten class used to play musical chairs.

 

[sandgk]

Yeah, see:

The SEC had five of its schools with 30-or-more-players on NFL rosters, the ACC has two, the Big 10 has 1.

NFL PLAYERS BY SCHOOL

Miami 46
Ohio State 44
Florida State 41
Tennessee 36
Georgia 35
LSU 33
Auburn 32
Florida 31

Mmm - that doesn't quite ring true John.

9/27/07 Penn State had 30 on NFL rosters.
Michigan has well over 30 on rosters - perhaps up to 40.

As for other Big 10 teams - though not at 30+ Wisconsin had at least 27 on roster this season.

Anyway - value of data question - if Miami has 46 in the league why have they been absent from, or getting hammered in the big games the last few years? Oh, and do we have to play UF, UGA, LSU, UT and Auburn all at once?

As I'm sure you'd allow, having that high NFL roster tally is good for bragging rights, but it does little to tell you how a team will actually perform year in and year out.

Or perhaps your post was merely a subliminal form of Bayou surrender (OSU 44 -- LSU 33)

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

Notice that of the 7 most elite teams on that list, 5 are SEC teams, 2 are Big Ten teams.

Total Appearances in the AP Poll, 2000-today
120 -- Florida
119 -- Georgia, Michigan
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I'm not sure why people even bothered responding to this.

An LSU fan trumpeting the AP-Poll as a standard of actual value???

The irony-processor in my Dell just exploded.

 

[COTiger]

I'm not sure why people even bothered responding to this.

An LSU fan trumpeting the AP-Poll as a standard of actual value???

The irony-processor in my Dell just exploded.

Pete Carroll made him do it.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I'm sure you won't mind being wrong here, Jaxbuck. If we drop 2 of 3 to the SEC this year, that makes it 14-13 Big Ten. They would need all 3 to have a 14-13 advantage on us, and that just straight up goes against all recent history .

Good catch. I was in a hurry to watch myth busters "SEC Roolz" edition and my math got fuzzy.

 

[Wingate1217]

So basically a 5% difference in NFL talent.The SEC has brought in more hyped recruits for years. It would not surprise me if these numbers were not quite similar in years past, if not more lopsided (since OSU, the b10 flagship for talent, does not typically rate well with Rivals).

So assuming these numbers compare, the SEC is receiving twice the incoming talent, but producing similar NFL numbers (+5%). Either there's a disparity in coaching, or hype.

Not to mention that they (SEC) "sign" more than 25 recruits on average in any given year....

 

[Zurp]

But you can't divide it by team, that's not how it works. The good kids cluster at powerhouse programs, that's what makes them a powerhouse.

ACTIVE NFL PLAYERS BY SEC SCHOOL
Tennessee 36
Georgia 35
LSU 33
Auburn 32
Florida 31
Alabama 21
South Carolina 19
Ole Miss 17
Miss. State 17
Arkansas 12
Kentucky 6
Vanderbilt 5
TOTALS 264

As for Ohio State, they have like 50 or something, I think. Like I said, the kids cluster at certain programs. But break down the Big Ten or ACC, and my assumption is that most of those active NFL players came from two powerhouses in those conference, whereas the SEC is more spread out among 5 powerhouses.

First, you aren't going to win an argument on assumptions. Get the facts before you try to assume they're true.

Second, as far as dividing the number of players by the number of teams, that's how you have to do it to compensate for the fact that the SEC has one more team than the Big Ten does. How else do you compensate? Remove Kentucky or Vanderbilt? That seems a little unfair, as you'd get to choose which team to remove, while the Big Ten has to keep all of its teams in this comparison.

I'm not arguing that the Big Ten is better than, or even as good as the SEC this year. Or even in the past couple of years. Or even forecasting that they will be in the next few years. I believe that the Big Ten is having a couple of "down" years, and I don't follow recruiting enough to guess that they're coming back anytime soon. I do believe, however, as many others have said in this thread, that the so-called "SEC dominance" is not as great as the media hypes it to be.

And I'll leave it at that.

 

[Bill Lucas]

Well, here's interesting SEC information that I was told by an SEC fan.

Next year might be the first year in about 20 years that the SEC will have no teams under any type of NCAA sanctions. Sure, there have been some problems in the Big Ten but our noses look pretty damned clean compared to this.

Add the fact that 44 SEC recruits from last year still haven't qualified for or attended class at the school which recruited them. Compare this to 4 recruits in the Big Ten. The SEC has extremely liberal recruiting policies which gives them a huge advantage in recruiting academically ineligible multiple star recruits. Let's see how many of those 72 guys actually ever attend a class or play for their SEC schools.

Perhaps the SEC should worry just a little bit more about house cleaning and a little less about being the "best".

 

[martinss01]

But you can't divide it by team, that's not how it works. The good kids cluster at powerhouse programs, that's what makes them a powerhouse.

ACTIVE NFL PLAYERS BY SEC SCHOOL
Tennessee 36
Georgia 35
LSU 33
Auburn 32
Florida 31
Alabama 21
South Carolina 19
Ole Miss 17
Miss. State 17
Arkansas 12
Kentucky 6
Vanderbilt 5
TOTALS 264

As for Ohio State, they have like 50 or something, I think. Like I said, the kids cluster at certain programs. But break down the Big Ten or ACC, and my assumption is that most of those active NFL players came from two powerhouses in those conference, whereas the SEC is more spread out among 5 powerhouses.

so basically what you are saying is that tOSU has a considerably more talented team than lsu? not sure i would agree with you on that point but to each his own i suppose.