Some BCS facts for your SEC friends

[Bluegras Buck-i]

Well, here's interesting SEC information that I was told by an SEC fan.

Next year might be the first year in about 20 years that the SEC will have no teams under any type of NCAA sanctions. Sure, there have been some problems in the Big Ten but our noses look pretty damned clean compared to this.

Add the fact that 44 SEC recruits from last year still haven't qualified for or attended class at the school which recruited them. Compare this to 4 recruits in the Big Ten. The SEC has extremely liberal recruiting policies which gives them a huge advantage in recruiting academically ineligible multiple star recruits. Let's see how many of those 72 guys actually ever attend a class or play for their SEC schools.

Excellent point!!! SEC schools admit many special admissions. That never seems to get reported by national media b/c they don't want to be called racist. I remember seeing an interview of an Alabama player after a game a few years ago and he could barely speak english. I felt sorry for him.

When there's so much money (and regional pride) on the line - schools and coaches are more willing to bend the rules. That is why all the scandals in the SEC.

Put these SEC players in great academic institutions like Northwestern, IL, IU, etc and see how long they last.

 

[IronBuckI]

Let's leave the academic excuses to ND. This discussion is a comparison of Big Ten football versus SEC football. Whining about them letting players play that we wouldn't seems like a concession that the SEC is better at football, but only because they are big fat cheaters. Regardless of the tactics. Of which we are all well aware. The Big Ten has more than held it's own versus the mighty SEC.

 

[OSUBasketballJunkie]

Dispatch

Mightier? Maybe not
SEC dominance against the Big Ten isn't clear-cut
Sunday, December 16, 2007 3:48 AM
By Ken Gordon


THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

By the numbers

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Games the Big Ten played against top-25 teams in nonconference play 2-2

SEC record against top-25 teams in nonconference play 3-5

Minnesota's Big Ten record in seasons it defeated SEC teams Arkansas (2002) and Alabama (2004) in bowl games 9

Number of teams in the SEC and Big Ten that played Football Championshop Subdivision - formerly Division I-AA - teams this season 29

Average schedule strength of SEC teams, according to Sagarin Ratings 57

Average Sagarin rating of Big Ten schedules 13-13

Record when Big Ten and SEC teams met in bowl games in the past decade

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Louisiana State is a four-point favorite in the national championship game, but in the court of public opinion, that's far too polite to Ohio State.
LSU will win, the feeling goes, simply because it's a member of the Southeastern Conference, whereas Ohio State plays in the Big Ten.
These days, the SEC is spoken of in reverential tones, and any mention of the Big Ten seems to be accompanied by a snicker.
The old stereotype has lingered: The Big Ten is full of beefy, slow-footed linemen leading running backs on Green Bay-esque power sweeps. The SEC is blessed with better athletes, the likes of which Northerners cannot possibly contain.
For many, this perception was confirmed when Florida pasted a previously dominant OSU squad 41-14 in the 2007 national championship game. It didn't help that Big Ten runner-up Michigan also was flattened 32-18 by Southern California in the Rose Bowl, even though USC is not an SEC member.

Continued......

 

[JohnLSU]

Mmm - that doesn't quite ring true John.

9/27/07 Penn State had 30 on NFL rosters.
Michigan has well over 30 on rosters

Those numbers list the players that were listed on active NFL rosters at the beginning of the 2007 season, not on the practice squads. Like that Penn State article says, they only had 26 players active players listed on opening day NFL rosters, the other four were on practice squads. As for that Michigan link, that just goes to a Fantasy Football page that lists alumni of the college football programs, some of those guys don't even play football anymore and there is no way of telling who was listed on the NFL active opening players rosters or who only made the scout squad of their team

 

[JohnLSU]

Well, here's interesting SEC information that I was told by an SEC fan. Next year might be the first year in about 20 years that the SEC will have no teams under any type of NCAA sanctions. Sure, there have been some problems in the Big Ten but our noses look pretty damned clean compared to this. Add the fact that 44 SEC recruits from last year still haven't qualified for or attended class at the school which recruited them. Compare this to 4 recruits in the Big Ten. The SEC has extremely liberal recruiting policies which gives them a huge advantage in recruiting academically ineligible multiple star recruits. Let's see how many of those 72 guys actually ever attend a class or play for their SEC schools. Perhaps the SEC should worry just a little bit more about house cleaning and a little less about being the "best".

This is some of the stuff that Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany was saying about a year ago when the SEC signed seven of the top 10 classes nationally according to Rivals.com and the Big Ten got none (the seven SEC schools were: Florida, Tennessee, LSU, South Carolina, Auburn, Georgia, Alabama).

Delany wrote this:

"I love speed and the SEC has great speed, especially on the defensive line, but there are appropriate balances when mixing academics and athletics. Each school, as well as each conference, simply must do what fits their mission regardless of what a recruiting service recommends. I wish we had six teams among the top 10 recruiting classes every year, but winning our way requires some discipline and restraint with the recruitment process. Not every athlete fits athletically, academically or socially at every university. Fortunately, we have been able to balance our athletic and academic mission so that we can compete successfully and keep faith with our academic standards."

In response, sportswriter Dan Wetzel wrote an article that pointed out that since Delany took over as Big Ten commissioner in 1989, the NCAA has hit Big Ten schools 17 separate times for major rule violations, which is almost just as bad as the SEC's 21 major violations during that same time period.

Wetzel also pointed out that, according to the NCAA's Academic Progress Rate, the SEC's average football score (941.7) is notably better than the Big Ten (931.2). The national average is 929, a number that the majority of the Big Ten (six teams) scored below. Only three of SEC's teams were under.

 

[Pheasant]

Yeah, see:

The SEC had five of its schools with 30-or-more-players on NFL rosters, the ACC has two, the Big 10 has 1.

NFL PLAYERS BY SCHOOL

Miami 46
Ohio State 44
Florida State 41
Tennessee 36
Georgia 35
LSU 33
Auburn 32
Florida 31

Great point, look at the bottom of this article for the breakdown of most NFL players at a single position from the same college. Given the speed difference between the SEC and Big 10, tOSU predictably has the most players at the slowest postion, while LSU is (tied for) #1 at the fastest position.

LINK

Center......LSU, Texas A&M.......4
Wide Rec........Ohio State........ 9

 

[NastyDogg72]

This is some of the stuff that Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany was saying about a year ago when the SEC signed seven of the top 10 classes nationally according to Rivals.com and the Big Ten got none (the seven SEC schools were: Florida, Tennessee, LSU, South Carolina, Auburn, Georgia, Alabama).

Delany wrote this:

"I love speed and the SEC has great speed, especially on the defensive line, but there are appropriate balances when mixing academics and athletics. Each school, as well as each conference, simply must do what fits their mission regardless of what a recruiting service recommends. I wish we had six teams among the top 10 recruiting classes every year, but winning our way requires some discipline and restraint with the recruitment process. Not every athlete fits athletically, academically or socially at every university. Fortunately, we have been able to balance our athletic and academic mission so that we can compete successfully and keep faith with our academic standards."

In response, sportswriter Dan Wetzel wrote an article that pointed out that since Delany took over as Big Ten commissioner in 1989, the NCAA has hit Big Ten schools 17 separate times for major rule violations, which is almost just as bad as the SEC's 21 major violations during that same time period.

Wetzel also pointed out that, according to the NCAA's Academic Progress Rate, the SEC's average football score (941.7) is notably better than the Big Ten (931.2). The national average is 929, a number that the majority of the Big Ten (six teams) scored below. Only three of SEC's teams were under.

I think that most succesful programs can find themselves skating the thin line of NCAA law at some point or another. It is inevitable with the archaic mentality of the powers that be. Until the NCAA wakes up and realizes that these are not the days of the four horseman all major programs are going to run into compliance issues. I think the point that was lost in the post you replied to is the fact that whether or not these SEC schools recruited these questionable players or not the fact is they DID NOT play. I don't see anything wrong with giving these players a chance, if they don't make the grade they never play as has been the case. I don't think it is anything like what we see at other programs in conferences other than our two where questionable practices of getting players like these onto the field occur. For example alot of questions have arisen, true or not, about how many players for WVU and Arizona State have become eligible and found their way onto football fields. As a whole I think that the Big Ten and SEC are the two power conferences that have adheered to the new Academic Requirements set forth by the NCAA the most.

As far as recruiting class rankings go I don't put a whole lot of stock in them because of the way they are calculated. It is based on total points accumulated. So a school such as tOSU which only has lets say 18 scholarships available is not under any circumstance going to have the point total that a Texas team who promises more scholarships than it can offer. All teams go through this cycle as long as they are trying to balance their offers with projected committments honestly and not telling a kid after signing day that they no longer have the scholarship they offered him. For example see Florida this year, they have a small class because they have few scholarships to offer because they have a young team. It's all about balance.

 

[JohnLSU]

As far as recruiting class rankings go ... It is based on total points accumulated. So a school such as tOSU which only has lets say 18 scholarships available is not under any circumstance going to have the point total that a Texas team who [has] more scholarships [to give] ... For example see Florida this year, they have a small class because they have few scholarships to offer because they have a young team. It's all about balance.

True. For example, in the current Rivals recruiting class rankings, USC is ranked #6 and Ohio State is ranked #8, but they both only took 15 commitments so far, while every team ranked higher than them took 22 to 25 commitments. If you look at the avg star ranking per recruit, you will see USC's current recruiting class is #1 (4.00 average), OSU's current recruiting class is #2 (3.93), and ND's current recruiting class is #3 (3.91), while their current Rivals overall point rating is ND #1, USC #6, and OSU #8 -- but only because USC and OSU didn't need to take a lot of commitments so far this year (15 each so far) because their teams are already so stacked. The only reason ND and other teams ranked higher than them was because those other teams took so many more commitments and thus had a higher overall point total.

And of course you can make the point that star rankings aren't that reliable because they honestly just really aren't, but as an overall indication of how good a team's recruitment class is, they aren't that bad.

 

[BB73]

True. For example, in the current Rivals recruiting class rankings, USC is ranked #6 and Ohio State is ranked #8, but they both only took 15 commitments so far, while every team ranked higher than them took 22 to 25 commitments. If you look at the avg star ranking per recruit, you will see USC's current recruiting class is #1 (4.00 average), OSU's current recruiting class is #2 (3.93), and ND's current recruiting class is #3 (3.91), while their current Rivals overall point rating is ND #1, USC #6, and OSU #8 -- but only because USC and OSU didn't need to take a lot of commitments so far this year (15 each so far) because their teams are already so stacked. The only reason ND and other teams ranked higher than them was because those other teams took so many more commitments and thus had a higher overall point total.

And of course you can make the point that star rankings aren't that reliable because they honestly just really aren't, but as an overall indication of how good a team's recruitment class is, they aren't that bad.

The other fault with recruiting rankings is that they give teams credit for all of the players on signing day, and the rankings aren't adjusted later when players don't qualify, etc. If the rankings reflected the players that were actually with teams on opening day in the fall, they'd be somewhat more credible.

 

[Tigerkid05]

this has absolutely no bearing on the game whatsoever

 

[Coqui]

this has absolutely no bearing on the game whatsoever

To be fair, this thread was made long before either team was definitely going to the game. And made to address all the media shit that has been coming out about how bad the Big10 was and how NFL caliber the SEC was

 

[JohnLSU]

To be fair, this thread was made ... to address all the media shit that has been coming out about how bad the Big10 was and how NFL caliber the SEC was

Looking at NFL caliber, the SEC is the best conference in college football. But, at the same time, looking at NFL caliber, OSU's program is much better than any single team in the SEC. Ohio State is one hell of a program, and Tressel is a living legend as a college football coach.

 

[IronBuckI]

Looking at NFL caliber, the SEC is the best conference in college football. But, at the same time, looking at NFL caliber, OSU's program is much better than any single team in the SEC. Ohio State is one hell of a program, and Tressel is a living legend as a college football coach.

Glad you were able to get yourself back in line.

 

[JohnLSU]

Glad you were able to get yourself back in line.

It's shame that conferences feel they have to be bound by region. I would love to have Ohio State in the SEC. It would be an honor.

 

[jwinslow]

It's shame that conferences feel they have to be bound by region. I would love to have Ohio State in the SEC.

And we'd love to have Texas, athletically and academically. Ok, just for the women