Some BCS facts for your SEC friends

[DaddyBigBucks]

Is that why they're announcing that Jimbo is going to take over whenever Bobby steps down? I found it strange to announce that only a day or two after Bowden signed an extension.

As for the tutoring (and the text book scandal)...

We'll see. The fact that so many people are involved in both, and conveniently none of them are on the two-deep...

We'll see...


As for the announcement about Fisher taking over: I think the timing is their way of saying that Bobby is going to take one last lap and call it a career.

 

[jwinslow]

Is that why they're announcing that Jimbo is going to take over whenever Bobby steps down? I found it strange to announce that only a day or two after Bowden signed an extension.

Some FSU verbals are looking around due to the coaching uncertainty, not that OSU is complaining

 

[JohnLSU]

Players on 2007 NFL opening day active rosters
263 -- SEC
238 -- ACC
234 -- Big Ten
183 -- Pac 10
176 -- Big 12
84 -- Big East

And here is how the SEC and the Big Ten have done in the AP Poll since 2000:

Total Appearances in the AP Poll, 2000-today
120 -- Florida
119 -- Georgia, Michigan
117 -- Ohio State
107 -- LSU, Tennessee
82 -- Auburn
73 -- Wisconsin
53 -- Purdue
52 -- Iowa
39 -- Penn State, South Carolina
36 -- Alabama
24 -- Mich State
23 -- Arkansas, Minnesota
21 -- Illinois
19 -- Northwestern
15 -- Miss State
13 -- Ole Miss
8 - Kentucky
0 -- Vanderbilt, Indiana

Total Appearance in AP Top 10, 2000-today
82 -- Ohio State
69 -- Florida, Georgia
59 -- LSU
48 -- Michigan
41 -- Tennessee
29 -- Auburn
21 -- Wisconsin
13 -- Iowa
12 -- Alabama
11 -- Penn State
6 -- Arkansas
4 -- Illinois, Purdue
3 -- South Carolina
2 -- Kentucky
1 -- Mich State

Total Appearance in AP Top 5, 2000-today
49 -- Ohio State
36 -- LSU
33 -- Florida
24 -- Georgia
23 -- Michigan
17 -- Auburn
10 -- Tennessee
8 -- Wisconsin
6 -- Alabama
5 -- Penn State
4 -- Iowa
2 -- Arkansas
1 -- Purdue

Total Appearances at AP #1, 2000-today
21 -- Ohio State
4 -- Florida, LSU

 

[JohnLSU]

Notice that of the 7 most elite teams on that list, 5 are SEC teams, 2 are Big Ten teams.

Total Appearances in the AP Poll, 2000-today
120 -- Florida
119 -- Georgia, Michigan
117 -- Ohio State
107 -- LSU, Tennessee
82 -- Auburn

Total Appearance in AP Top 10, 2000-today
82 -- Ohio State
69 -- Florida, Georgia
59 -- LSU
48 -- Michigan
41 -- Tennessee
29 -- Auburn

Total Appearance in AP Top 5, 2000-today
49 -- Ohio State
36 -- LSU
33 -- Florida
24 -- Georgia
23 -- Michigan
17 -- Auburn
10 -- Tennessee

Total Appearances at AP #1, 2000-today
21 -- Ohio State
4 -- Florida, LSU

 

[schwab]

Total Appearances at AP #1, 2000-today
21 -- Ohio State
4 -- Florida, LSU

 

[JohnLSU]

 

[JohnLSU]

Now look, like I posted, this is where the talent has gone to school in recent years:

Players on 2007 NFL opening day active rosters
263 -- SEC
238 -- ACC
234 -- Big Ten
183 -- Pac 10
176 -- Big 12
84 -- Big East

So sure, the Big Ten has been hanging with the SEC (although your talent clusters at Ohio State and Michigan, whereas our is spread among several powerhouses).

But look at the future:

This is a post by a Nebraska fan on rivals that showed were the 2007 Rivals250 prospects (the freshmen this season) went by conference:

72 SEC
36 Big 12
34 ACC, Big Ten
33 Pac-10
6 Big East

Point is that most of the good recruits of today want to go play in the SEC (and that the Big East is garbage).

 

[JohnLSU]

Also, here is a good article (2004) from rivals showing SEC states dwarf the rest of the US in the number of NFL players that were born and raised down here (which is not surprising, since we have such a high percent of African Americans in the SEC states).

Rivals.com Football Recruiting - Where's all the talent coming from?

What was is not surprising is that D.C., Mississippi, and Louisiana have the most home-grown NFL players per capita. It's not surprising because MS and LA have the three highest % of African Americans in the US.

For the US census map showing the black population percentage, see http://www.census.gov/geo/www/mapGal...ages/black.jpg
It was too large to post, but a better map
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[jwinslow]

Now look, like I posted, this is where the talent has gone to school in recent years:

Players on 2007 NFL opening day active rosters
263 -- SEC
238 -- ACC
234 -- Big Ten
183 -- Pac 10
176 -- Big 12
84 -- Big East

So sure, the Big Ten has been hanging with the SEC (although your talent clusters at Ohio State and Michigan, whereas our is spread among several powerhouses).

So basically a 5% difference in NFL talent.

But look at the future:

This is a post by a Nebraska fan on rivals that showed were the 2007 Rivals250 prospects (the freshmen this season) went by conference:

72 SEC
36 Big 12
34 ACC, Big Ten
33 Pac-10
6 Big East

Point is that most of the good recruits of today want to go play in the SEC (and that the Big East is garbage).

The SEC has brought in more hyped recruits for years. It would not surprise me if these numbers were not quite similar in years past, if not more lopsided (since OSU, the b10 flagship for talent, does not typically rate well with Rivals).

So assuming these numbers compare, the SEC is receiving twice the incoming talent, but producing similar NFL numbers (+5%). Either there's a disparity in coaching, or hype.

 

[Bleed S & G]

but programs such as yours, UM, Bama,and ND are just no longer the BIG BOYS.

02 - National Championship: Winner
03 - BCS Game: Winner
04 - Alamo Bowl: Winner
05 - BCS Game: Winner
06 - National Championship: Loser
07 - National Championship: ?

By the way, we have 2 seniors.. next year isn't looking too bad either.

 

[jwinslow]

By the way, we have 2 seniors.. next year isn't looking too bad either.

2-3 senior starters (FB, OT, LB), 1 backup (FB). Rest of 2-deep returns, before draftees.

Due in equal parts to a disastrous 03 class and an incredible one in 05 (largely unheralded guys also). The 03 class had 15 commits, 9 of which were lost to attrition. 2 of the best, Whitner & Youboty, left after the 05 season (boy could we have used them, as well as the injured Russell). Gonzalez & Patterson started and left last year. That leaves Barton & Boeckman as the lone contributors left.

If you want a perfect example of Rivals' disconnect with OSU recruits many years, glance at the 05 class. IMO, the best 10 players are:

Laurinaitis

, Jenkins

, Boone

, Robiskie

, Washington

, Russell

, Wilson

, Wells

, Worthington

, Hartline

 

[Zurp]

You got some good data there (assuming it's correct, anyway), but let's make it a little bit more fair, as the SEC has something like twice as many teams as the Big Ten does. (11 x 2 = 12, right?)

Players on 2007 NFL opening day active rosters
263 -- SEC
238 -- ACC
234 -- Big Ten
183 -- Pac 10
176 -- Big 12
84 -- Big East

263 / 12 = 21.9 players per SEC team on NFL rosters.
234 / 11 = 21.3 players per Big Ten team on NFL rosters.
Pretty damn even, if you ask me. But feel free to count 0.6 as a win, if you really want to.

And here is how the SEC and the Big Ten have done in the AP Poll since 2000:

Total Appearances in the AP Poll, 2000-today
120 -- Florida
119 -- Georgia, Michigan
117 -- Ohio State
107 -- LSU, Tennessee
82 -- Auburn
73 -- Wisconsin
53 -- Purdue
52 -- Iowa
39 -- Penn State, South Carolina
36 -- Alabama
24 -- Mich State
23 -- Arkansas, Minnesota
21 -- Illinois
19 -- Northwestern
15 -- Miss State
13 -- Ole Miss
8 - Kentucky
0 -- Vanderbilt, Indiana

669 weeks for SEC teams / 12 teams = 55.75.
540 weeks for B10 teams / 11 teams = 49.09.
6 more weeks per SEC team. Almost 7. Ok, SEC gets that point.

Total Appearance in AP Top 10, 2000-today
82 -- Ohio State
69 -- Florida, Georgia
59 -- LSU
48 -- Michigan
41 -- Tennessee
29 -- Auburn
21 -- Wisconsin
13 -- Iowa
12 -- Alabama
11 -- Penn State
6 -- Arkansas
4 -- Illinois, Purdue
3 -- South Carolina
2 -- Kentucky
1 -- Mich State

290 weeks for SEC teams / 12 teams = 24.17.
184 weels for B10 teams / 11 teams = 16.73.
Dang. Another point for SEC.

Total Appearance in AP Top 5, 2000-today
49 -- Ohio State
36 -- LSU
33 -- Florida
24 -- Georgia
23 -- Michigan
17 -- Auburn
10 -- Tennessee
8 -- Wisconsin
6 -- Alabama
5 -- Penn State
4 -- Iowa
2 -- Arkansas
1 -- Purdue

128 weeks for SEC teams / 12 teams = 10.67.
90 weeks for B10 teams / 11 teams = 8.18.
Ok, so SEC is up 3-0.

Total Appearances at AP #1, 2000-today
21 -- Ohio State
4 -- Florida, LSU

8 weeks for SEC teams / 12 teams = 0.67.
21 weeks for B10 teams / 11 teams = 1.91.
I'm going to award the Big Ten 4 points for this one, because it is obviously the strength of the Big Ten conference that allowed Ohio State to hold the top spot for 21 weeks during that time period. If the SEC were truly a "man's" conference, they would have one team on that list and they'd be #1 for more than 10 weeks. Truly pathetic excuse for a conference, if you ask me. Even the Big East is better than the SEC, due to the fact that Miami was in the Big East when they fielded their 2001 and 2002 teams that could have beaten this year's New England Patriots.

(Did anyone NOT get the sarcasm?)

 

[xcrunner]

JohnLSU:
Thanks for the information. It was honestly quite useful.
However..
re: More SEC players on NFL rosters
Yes, but as jwins said, that's only 5%. Pretty measly. Keep in mind that there are 12 SEC schools compared to 11 Big 10 schools (>5% difference)

re: "Look to the future"
I completely agree with jwins. It'll be interesting to have this conversation in, say, 4 years. I follow both UF and Ohio State very well because I live in Gainesville but I'm an Ohio State fan (obviously). I have not seen ANYTHING like what Ohio State does with recruits down here in Gainesville. I just don't see many 3* athletes at all being top-5 draft picks, winning trophies, or leading their teams to the national championship game. But one thing that we're immensely proud of at OSU is that, I'm not sure if you realize it, but some of our best players were really poorly rated coming out of high school. The most obvious example is A.J. hawk who was a 3* on one scouting service and I believe a 2* on the other. Very impressive. And that happens all the time!

re: the maps
That is indeed quite interesting and thank you very much for sharing that. I don't think it really has anything to do with the discussion- where they went to high school is kind of irrelevant- but still very interesting.

edit- Damn, I typed too slow =[ .

 

[Zurp]

Notice that of the 7 most elite teams on that list, 5 are SEC teams, 2 are Big Ten teams.

Also note that of the 5 least elite teams on that list, 4 are SEC teams.

And here is how the SEC and the Big Ten have done in the AP Poll since 2000:

Total Appearances in the AP Poll, 2000-today
15 -- Miss State
13 -- Ole Miss
8 - Kentucky
0 -- Vanderbilt, Indiana

 

[JohnLSU]

So assuming these numbers compare, the SEC is receiving twice the incoming talent, but producing similar NFL numbers (+5%). Either there's a disparity in coaching, or hype.

But you can't assume these numbers compare, they don't compare at all. The number of current NFL players per conference doesn't include the 2008 Draft (today's seniors), the 2009 Draft (today's juniors), the 2010 draft (today's sophomore's), or the 2011 draft (today's freshmen). That number of active NFL player per conference is at least four years old. You can't compare it to the number of 2007 recruits that went to the SEC over other schools.

But sure, that was just the 2007 rival250 kids and where they went. What about the 2008 rival250, or the 2006, 2005, 2004 rival250 kids? You can't assume that just because the 2007 rival250 favored the SEC, that it was the same for 2006, 2005, 2004 or that it will be the same for 2008. So sure, that was a weak stat on my part.

Focus more on the black population of the South. Start to pay attention to where NFL players and All-Americans were born and raised. You'll see that the SEC states are represented better than other regions of the US. Even the white kids coming out of the south have to compete against the large % of black kids we have down here -- both the white kids and the black kids are trying out for the same football starting positions on their high school football teams.

Sure, programs like Ohio State and Michigan are such outstanding programs that kids from SEC states will grow up loving schools like Ohio State, Michigan, or USC (we here in Louisiana just lost the #1 RB recruit in the nation, he wanted to go to USC and live near Hollywood). So programs like Ohio State, Michigan, and USC will always have a good shot at all-star SEC kids just based on their outstanding history and tradition. But schools like Wisconsin, Iowa, Mich State, Purdue -- those schools don't have glamourous reputations like Michigan and Ohio State, so those Big Ten schools will have a hard time keeping up with schools in the SEC.