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GeauxTigers99
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BukOff;990521; said:I'm hungry...
:).......We all have to eat a little crow once in a while.
Sorry to see you guys lose though, I really am. Wish I could have watched the game, none of the networks around here were carrying it.
P.S. I learned how to spell, see..........Eaux-Hi-Eaux.
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ashlandbuck
Banned
Big 10 vs. SEC in the draft
Like all of us, I've become so disgusted listening to the clowns from ESPN and other media outlets tell us of the greatness of the SEC that I thought it would be fun to take a look at the past four years drafts.
I thought a true test of the talent in the various conferences would be to look at what the NFL coaches and scouts thought. People who's job it is to draft the best players in the country.
Since the players taken in the first two rounds of each years draft are generally considered those players that will be at some point an impact player, those are the only rounds I looked at.
Here is how it broke down
SEC 51 players
ACC 50 players
Big 12 38 players
Big 10 35 players
Pac 10 32 players
Big East 9 players
Other schools 41 players
So in the first two rounds in the past four years the SEC has produced 15 more picks than the Big Ten. That comes out to almost four more picks per 64 selections. But then take into consideration that the SEC has one more team than the Big 10 has, for all practical purposes there is no distinguishable difference between the talent in the SEC and the Big 10 over the last four years drafts.
Of course, let's all take a look at what Alabama did today and that should tell anyone that there is nothing special about the SEC.
Of course the thing that really sticks out is the lack of talent in the Big East.
Wow!
Like all of us, I've become so disgusted listening to the clowns from ESPN and other media outlets tell us of the greatness of the SEC that I thought it would be fun to take a look at the past four years drafts.
I thought a true test of the talent in the various conferences would be to look at what the NFL coaches and scouts thought. People who's job it is to draft the best players in the country.
Since the players taken in the first two rounds of each years draft are generally considered those players that will be at some point an impact player, those are the only rounds I looked at.
Here is how it broke down
SEC 51 players
ACC 50 players
Big 12 38 players
Big 10 35 players
Pac 10 32 players
Big East 9 players
Other schools 41 players
So in the first two rounds in the past four years the SEC has produced 15 more picks than the Big Ten. That comes out to almost four more picks per 64 selections. But then take into consideration that the SEC has one more team than the Big 10 has, for all practical purposes there is no distinguishable difference between the talent in the SEC and the Big 10 over the last four years drafts.
Of course, let's all take a look at what Alabama did today and that should tell anyone that there is nothing special about the SEC.
Of course the thing that really sticks out is the lack of talent in the Big East.
Wow!
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Bobby Hoying
All-American
Wouldn't it be great if Tennessee won the SEC over LSU this year?
That way we can say the SEC champ lost to a Pac 10 team. The exact Pac 10 team Les Miles said was a doormat for USC on their road to the NC game.
That way we can say the SEC champ lost to a Pac 10 team. The exact Pac 10 team Les Miles said was a doormat for USC on their road to the NC game.
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IronBuckI;999526; said:
Not that it matters...
Sagarin Ratings:
65 Appalachian State AA = 70.62 9 - 2
73 Stanford A = 68.66 3 - 7
104 Louisiana-Monroe A = 61.54 5 - 6
USATODAY.com
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Sooooo
AKABUCK said;
Not that it matters...
Sagarin Ratings:
65 Appalachian State AA = 70.62 9 - 2
73 Stanford A = 68.66 3 - 7
104 Louisiana-Monroe A = 61.54 5 - 6
Yeah but, Appalachian State has less than 6 losses and doesn't Stanford have more, so ULM may still be the best 6 loss team in the country and very well could be undefeated in the B10:tongue2: (sorry I could't find my sarcastic font)
By the by, if Stanford can get by Ntre ame this week coming of off the Irish's program defining dismantling of the juggernaut Blue Devils then the Cardinal should get some BCS consideration. (sorry sarcasm font still AWOL)
AKABUCK said;
Not that it matters...
Sagarin Ratings:
65 Appalachian State AA = 70.62 9 - 2
73 Stanford A = 68.66 3 - 7
104 Louisiana-Monroe A = 61.54 5 - 6
Yeah but, Appalachian State has less than 6 losses and doesn't Stanford have more, so ULM may still be the best 6 loss team in the country and very well could be undefeated in the B10:tongue2: (sorry I could't find my sarcastic font)
By the by, if Stanford can get by Ntre ame this week coming of off the Irish's program defining dismantling of the juggernaut Blue Devils then the Cardinal should get some BCS consideration. (sorry sarcasm font still AWOL)
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I found this on the LSU site (Tiger Forum)....
How deep IS the SEC? - TigerForums.com - LSU football - LSU sports - LSU Tigers - LSU message board
One of their own takes on the fallacy that the SEC is consistently better than the Big Ten. His post is below....
1.) Since 1993, the SEC and the Big Ten have had the most top 25 ranked teams at the end of the season, 58. Impressive right? SEC fans will probably now say something like "Oh, but the SEC plays harder schedules and the SEC is tougher so they're better"
2.) Wrong. Over the last 8 years (as far back as my source goes), the average Strength of schedule for Big Ten teams were far better than SEC teams. For instance, OSU had an average SOS of 14.375. The mighty SEC UF gator's SOS was 21.125. Bama's was 22.875, and Auburn's was 43. The same held true for other Big Ten schools, PSU, Michigan, Wiscy all had a better average SOS over the last 8 years. Here's the source too, look it up yourself:
[URL="http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/1993_archive_computer_rankings.html"]http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/1993_archive_computer_rankings.html[/URL]
Now SEC fans will probably alude to last year's national championship game and the SEC's "dominance" over Big Ten in bowl games.
3.) The Big Ten went 2-1 against the SEC last year, and are 8-6 over the last 5 years. SEC fans might make a bogus claim of BCS dominance, but...
4.) The Big Ten has had 15 BCS bowl bids, the SEC has had 13. Now the SEC fan is getting desparate, and might claim that the SEC has better players...
5.) The Big Ten has had 5 heisman winners over the last 15 years, the SEC has had 1.
Now you SEC fans might be saying "well the SEC has much better depth than the Big Ten (or as you hilariously call it, the Big 3):
6.) Wrong again. Let's take a look at conference winners over the last 8 years:
Big 10 Champions
06- OSU
05- OSU, PSU
04- Iowa, Michigan
03- Michigan
02- Iowa, OSU
01- Illinios
00- Michigan, Northwestern, Purdue
99- Wisconsin
SEC champions
06- Florida
05- Georgia
04- Auburn
03- LSU
02- Georgia
01- LSU
00- Florida
99- Bama
Since 99, the Big Ten has had 8 different teams at least share the conference title. The SEC has had 5 teams win the conference title over the same span. Also keep in mind the SEC has one more team than the Big Ten. Which conference is deeper now? You guys might complain that the Big Ten doesn't have a conference title game, and they can share conference titles. Alright, fair enough, you got me. Even if we take away the tiebreakers and award the Big Ten conference title to one team in each of the disputed years, the Big Ten has anywhere from 4-7 teams winning the conference title over the last 8 years, depending on who you give the title to. Stiil, proving they are just as deep as the SEC.
He gives as good as he gets...interesting reading
How deep IS the SEC? - TigerForums.com - LSU football - LSU sports - LSU Tigers - LSU message board
One of their own takes on the fallacy that the SEC is consistently better than the Big Ten. His post is below....
1.) Since 1993, the SEC and the Big Ten have had the most top 25 ranked teams at the end of the season, 58. Impressive right? SEC fans will probably now say something like "Oh, but the SEC plays harder schedules and the SEC is tougher so they're better"
2.) Wrong. Over the last 8 years (as far back as my source goes), the average Strength of schedule for Big Ten teams were far better than SEC teams. For instance, OSU had an average SOS of 14.375. The mighty SEC UF gator's SOS was 21.125. Bama's was 22.875, and Auburn's was 43. The same held true for other Big Ten schools, PSU, Michigan, Wiscy all had a better average SOS over the last 8 years. Here's the source too, look it up yourself:
[URL="http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/1993_archive_computer_rankings.html"]http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/1993_archive_computer_rankings.html[/URL]
Now SEC fans will probably alude to last year's national championship game and the SEC's "dominance" over Big Ten in bowl games.
3.) The Big Ten went 2-1 against the SEC last year, and are 8-6 over the last 5 years. SEC fans might make a bogus claim of BCS dominance, but...
4.) The Big Ten has had 15 BCS bowl bids, the SEC has had 13. Now the SEC fan is getting desparate, and might claim that the SEC has better players...
5.) The Big Ten has had 5 heisman winners over the last 15 years, the SEC has had 1.
Now you SEC fans might be saying "well the SEC has much better depth than the Big Ten (or as you hilariously call it, the Big 3):
6.) Wrong again. Let's take a look at conference winners over the last 8 years:
Big 10 Champions
06- OSU
05- OSU, PSU
04- Iowa, Michigan
03- Michigan
02- Iowa, OSU
01- Illinios
00- Michigan, Northwestern, Purdue
99- Wisconsin
SEC champions
06- Florida
05- Georgia
04- Auburn
03- LSU
02- Georgia
01- LSU
00- Florida
99- Bama
Since 99, the Big Ten has had 8 different teams at least share the conference title. The SEC has had 5 teams win the conference title over the same span. Also keep in mind the SEC has one more team than the Big Ten. Which conference is deeper now? You guys might complain that the Big Ten doesn't have a conference title game, and they can share conference titles. Alright, fair enough, you got me. Even if we take away the tiebreakers and award the Big Ten conference title to one team in each of the disputed years, the Big Ten has anywhere from 4-7 teams winning the conference title over the last 8 years, depending on who you give the title to. Stiil, proving they are just as deep as the SEC.
He gives as good as he gets...interesting reading
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Zem
Hall of Fame
Is that a typo in the 2005 Cap1 Bowl? Wisconsin was 6-2 in conference play and Iowa and UM tied for the title at 7-1, so UW was 3rd.sandgk;920026; said:
An LSU poster at the end of page 1 in that thread on Tiger Den makes the argument that the Big10/SEC bowl games always feature a Big10 team that is ranked higher in conference than their SEC opponent. Wtf?
Here is what I think will happen this year.
If LSU wins the CG:
The 5th best SEC team, Florida, will play UM (2nd) or IU (3rd) in the Cap1.
The 3rd best SEC team, Tenn, will play Wiscy (4th best) in the Outback.
If Tenn wins the CG:
The 3rd best SEC team, LSU, will play UM or IU in the Cap1.
Florida vs. UW in the Outback.
Auburn gets shafted again, but they did lose to So. Florida.
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Pheasant
This space for rent.
BGriffBuckeye;969789; said:Here is a more updated graphic comparing our speed to that of the 2 tops dogs in the SEC: LSU and Florida. I got the numbers from NFLDarftScout.com, which are updated throughout the player's stay at the university and are more accurate than the previous numbers I used from Rivals when they were recruits, which are rarely ever right. Anyways, take a look and come to your own conclusions. I used the guys that see the most PT, not the whole depth at the position. The kid can be fast as heck, but if they don't get on the field they don't count. Personally, I am blown away at the speed we have in the secondary and I was amazed how favorably we matched up with their DE speed.
Note: I used Torrence in stead of Sanzenbacher because he was next in line as far as WR stats go, since I could not find the Great Dane's NFL DS profile. The only QB I used was Tebow, for obvious reasons, since he is their leading rusher. I also could not find the time for Florida DT Clint McMillan or LSU DE Rahim Allen, but they start so I threw them in there, so their avg. times at each position could be a little misleading. Also, I wanted to throw Larimore in there for us but I could not find his NFL DS profile, either.
EDIT: A bit of an oversight on my part, but the TEs actually avg a 4.83 time for Ohio State, while LSUs average 4.87 and Florida's a 4.65. The set of numbers for the average here streched into the two lines above them (the last WR's time and the average WR time).
I haven't read the last few pages of this thread, so if somebody already called out the complete BS in this post my apologies.
Those times are all horseshit. They're guestimations, for the most part, based on who knows what. Unless every one of those times was run on the same day at the same track or run using the same automatic timing system they are completely unrelatable. You did a very nice job putting all the information together, but it fails in two key areas:
1- It's completely unreliable as factual evidence of any SEC vs. Big 10 speed argument.
2- There is no factual evidence that will ever persuade any SEC speed believer that the Big 10 is not slower than the SEC.
You have to pick your battles, and this one is pointless. It's like trying to argue with the girl on the Jerry Springer show who keeps repeating the same 5 words for 2 solid minutes.
Sure he did. Not that it would matter if he did.Gatorubet;970530; said:
Your last sentence is pretty spot on, though.
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daveeb
Hall of Fame
I hate when certain fans bring up times other than the 40 yard dash. It is clearly obvious why those times do not matter: Once you get going, you start trucking along at a faster rate. The first 20 yards of a 40 yard dash are going to be slower than the next 20 yards.
6.25 * (2/3) != His 40 time
6.25 * (2/3) != His 40 time
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muffler dragon
Bien. Bien chiludo.
Wingate1217;1013083; said:
If you read the post; then you'll see that this isn't written by an LSU or SEC person. It comes from this blog at foxsports:
Big 10 vs. SEC . . . Revisited • The Ross Blogs - FOX Sports Blogs
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