Should semipro/college players be paid, or allowed to sell their stuff? (NIL and Revenue Sharing)

[Gatorubet]

Nothings perfect but its a pretty sweet gig. Starving kids in China would be happy to take it.

That's only because they want to sell the bowl swag and buy rice.


And it assumes: 1) they have good enough hips and 40 times, and 2) Zook hasn't offered.

 

[DaveyBoy]

I drove a used Dodge Omni while at OSU....it was in rough shape

I lived off of macaroni and cheese and ham & cheese sandwiches while at OSU

I worked 35 hours per week while taking 15 to 20 hours

I barely made ends meet.....but I managed somehow

I'm sorry, but players have it no harder than I did....probably easier

They are at "some disadvantage". If I'm a computer prodigy, studying at tOSU, IBM can pay me a million dollars to work for them. A football player can't even teach kids at a camp and get paid for it.

Just give the [censored]ing kids an allowance. Just enough to buy some clothes and take a girl on a date.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Yeah, but will those shenanigans be cheeky and fun?

Tragic and cruel which actually doesn't make them shenanigans at all.

 

[BUCKYLE]

Well selling the Bowl swag is opening the same Pandora's box (drink!!) nanoseconds after its NCAA legal enterprising boosters are going to find a way to make it clear to prospect X that his future used Bowl swag will be worth more to him if he comes to play for their team. Dad then legally holds an open cry auction for the rights to buy hot shot recruits future Bowl swag. Then about 1-2 years later you are going to get the first case of Dad suing a booster because he didn't pay up and some smart lawyer type like Atticus Ubet finding a good reason to sue the school while he's at it.

You think these kids are taken advantage of now, let that come to pass and watch the shenanigans.

As far as the salesman's salary thing goes, lets be real and put the cost of a 4 year degree at about $100K. That's what they are getting paid, they know its deferred going into it so the analogy to an uncompensated adult is apples to oranges. They are working a 40+ hr a week job and getting paid about 25K a year in total comp with some fantastic benefits. The upside is they can parlay that job into a better than average lifetime income stream if they play their cards right and that's got nothing to do with playing in the NFL.

Nothings perfect but its a pretty sweet gig. Starving kids in China would be happy to take it.

I wasn't saying they could sell the bowl swag to the highest fuckin' bidder. I'm saying sell the fucker for RETAIL. A four hundred dollar xbox for four hundered dollars. I'm wondering if that's even legal. That's all.

Not sure where you detect any "anger" in that response, but feel free to continue to deflect attention from the real issue...

School me on what the real issue is in a thread discussing if players SHOULD be paid...you know, in the future. Not what happened, but if it should be allowed to happen. Consider it a philosophical thread. Most of us are discussing the loopholes that would be abused and if the players...hypothetically....would have earned anything they make. You just keep talking shit about the stuff that has happened. So I assumed you were angry rather than stupid. Sorry.

 

[BUCKYLE]

I drove a used Dodge Omni while at OSU....it was in rough shape

I lived off of macaroni and cheese and ham & cheese sandwiches while at OSU

I worked 35 hours per week while taking 15 to 20 hours

I barely made ends meet.....but I managed somehow

I'm sorry, but players have it no harder than I did....probably easier

How much money did tOSU make off DaveyBoy jerseys? How many BCS paydays were you responsible for? How many hundreds of thousands of people flooded the campus area for a few saturdays a year, helping local businesses make enough income to stay open for the rest of the year? How much did Nike pay tOSU for the rights to sell shit you wore? I'm also assuming all other students got free shoes, unis, and other gear because you made them so much money they gave the rest of the school free shit to make sure they had the right to sell your exact pocket protector.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I wasn't saying they could sell the bowl swag to the highest fuckin' bidder. I'm saying sell the fucker for RETAIL. A four hundred dollar xbox for four hundered dollars. I'm wondering if that's even legal. That's all.

I know. That's what I'm saying, you can't let them sell it at all or you are going down the "define retail" path including the manpower to police it. You know someone would start testing the boundaries almost instantly.

I know where you are coming from on this and it shouldn't be "illegal" for a kid to have an extra $20 in his pocket, I feel ya. Problem is the cockknockers who will abuse it so as usual, everyone else sucks on it for those few douchebags.

As it is they get a free education, not perfect but hardly trivial.

 

[BUCKYLE]

I know. That's what I'm saying, you can't let them sell it at all or you are going down the "define retail" path including the manpower to police it. You know someone would start testing the boundaries almost instantly.

I know where you are coming from on this and it shouldn't be "illegal" for a kid to have an extra $20 in his pocket, I feel ya. Problem is the cockknockers who will abuse it so as usual, everyone else sucks on it for those few douchebags.

As it is they get a free education, not perfect but hardly trivial.

There are already plenty of fuck knuckles skirting the rules. Changing them would at least allow the honest kids to get their beaks wet.

I'm not stupid enough to believe an education that comes with a degree from tOSU is close to worthless. I just don't like the fact that there are a SHIT ton of kids going to college that aren't going for an education. I mean...I'm sure Auburn's intentions were to let Cam enroll so they could teach him how to read, and if he wanted to play football, then cool. If colleges want to maintain the illusion of the student athlete, then the NCAA should only allow member institutions to enroll STUDENTS. Quite a few of these kids are allowed to come to school, despite the dept of admissions knowing there's no fucking way they're ever going to graduate. They are brought in to make fuckin' money for the schools. So they should get compensated.

 

[DaveyBoy]

OK, so the argument you're making is about exploitation.....not about giving these guys the same opportunities as average students. I'm glad you we are making that clear because I could have sworn you were going the other direction at first.......

OK, to your point. The reason those people flock to campus and spend the millions of $ is because of the product. The product is collegitate football.....in particular, it's amateur collegiate football that is entirely different than the NFL. It's COLLEGIATE. If the players were to get paid a share of that revenue over and above their tuition opportunity cost, then it would quickly become an arms race startlingly similar to the NFL.

I highly doutbt CFB would be as popular as it is today if it was nothing more than a minor league for the NFL. But we don't know that.....but we damn well know that your idea would be extremely risky to the existence of the game we know now.

by the way, the system that is in use today offers a strong likelihood of earning a college degree and all the doors that are opened up by that for a lifetime. Many if not most of the collegiate starters would not have ben given a chance to get a degree if it weren't for scholarships to play football. So the athlete is exchanging 4 years of hard work and dedication to the program for over $1 Million....perhaps several $million in lifetime earnings that they would have probably never made.

How much money did tOSU make off DaveyBoy jerseys? How many BCS paydays were you responsible for? How many hundreds of thousands of people flooded the campus area for a few saturdays a year, helping local businesses make enough income to stay open for the rest of the year? How much did Nike pay tOSU for the rights to sell [Mark May] you wore? I'm also assuming all other students got free shoes, unis, and other gear because you made them so much money they gave the rest of the school free [Mark May] to make sure they had the right to sell your exact pocket protector.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

How much money did tOSU make off DaveyBoy jerseys? How many BCS paydays were you responsible for? How many hundreds of thousands of people flooded the campus area for a few saturdays a year, helping local businesses make enough income to stay open for the rest of the year? How much did Nike pay tOSU for the rights to sell [Mark May] you wore? I'm also assuming all other students got free shoes, unis, and other gear because you made them so much money they gave the rest of the school free [Mark May] to make sure they had the right to sell your exact pocket protector.

How much of the $100,000 plus that DaveyBoy likely had to shell out during those four years did OSU give him?

 

[BUCKYLE]

OK, so the argument you're making is about exploitation.....not about giving these guys the same opportunities as average students. I'm glad you we are making that clear because I could have sworn you were going the other direction at first.......

OK, to your point. The reason those people flock to campus and spend the millions of $ is because of the product. The product is collegitate football.....in particular, it's amateur collegiate football that is entirely different than the NFL. It's COLLEGIATE. If the players were to get paid a share of that revenue over and above their tuition opportunity cost, then it would quickly become an arms race startlingly similar to the NFL.

I highly doutbt CFB would be as popular as it is today if it was nothing more than a minor league for the NFL. But we don't know that.....but we damn well know that your idea would be extremely risky to the existence of the game we know now.

by the way, the system that is in use today offers a strong likelihood of earning a college degree and all the doors that are opened up by that for a lifetime. Many if not most of the collegiate starters would not have ben given a chance to get a degree if it weren't for scholarships to play football. So the athlete is exchanging 4 years of hard work and dedication to the program for over $1 Million....perhaps several $million in lifetime earnings that they would have probably never made.

Actually, I'm arguing both. Just because the athletes get more than the regular students in one area doesn't mean it's fair to completely lock them out in another.

 

[DaveyBoy]

I hear ya.

I wouldn't mind seeing athletes get some sort of monthly stipend. Perhaps paying them for official practice and game time at the federal minimum wage rate.

But the next issue will be just which athletes get the money. Surely the Title 9 crowd will fight to have all scholarship athletes get the same amount. That will add up the bill very fast.

Perhaps a balance can be struck by making the payments be a loan that has to be paid back in full if the athlete doesn't graduate in 5 years....and the loan is forgiven in full if they do graduate in 5 years.

Actually, I'm arguing both. Just because the athletes get more than the regular students in one area doesn't mean it's fair to completely lock them out in another.

 

[MaxBuck]

Once again - the stipend is a non-starter, as it will inevitably reduce the number of student-athletes and the number of supported sports. That's completely counter to the student-athletes' interests.

 

[Roundabout]

The Future of college sports

Either you have the schools pay the big dollars.... (as somebody posted all of 18 schools make a profit)

Or you let boosters pay the big dollars....

Both make me feel dirty for different reasons, and both will lead to a very small pool of schools playing major sports. Within a few years it will be down to a pool of say 10-16 teams competing for titles and the rest of the teams will either move down a level or just close up shop all together. The problem will be no matter how you make the rules the problem will be worse and the thing that you tried to fix will still be there. Pay the kid 1000 dollars a week, and there going to want more...

The only decent solution IMO is enforce the rules as they are written today and let the "poor" kids suffer for 3-4 years before they make there millions... or give them a 2nd option, time for the NFL to step up and stop the use of the ncaa for its farm system. Let each NFL team have a farm team and let them pay the kids that really have no interest in college. The sad thing will be all the stories you'll be reading about the kids who skip college.... flame out.... and are broke and still uneducated.... But, the NFL game I would bet is better for it, 4 years of being trained to be better NFL players and not worrying about making the fan base happy with wins. The college game? might not suffer to bad as all teams would be in the same boat (assuming the boasters again arn't breaking the rules). The only ones that will suffer are the kids who were good enough to go to the farm system, but not good enough to make the NFL proper.

Honestly, the best solution is what we have today.... with proper education of the players, coaches, and fans at how to follow the rules.

(you can change NFL to NBA to cover that sport)

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footba...Cam-Newton-s-game-worn-pants?urn=ncaaf-wp1618

Are we approaching hypocrisy yet?

 

[zincfinger]

I really don't think CFB players should get a paycheck. Just don't think selling their shit should be a big deal, so long as they aren't selling a dime for a dollar.

It seems to me that one obvious potential issue with that scenario, is that any program that wants to could effectively pay its players a salary simply by giving them a lot of "trinkets" to sell.

I wasn't saying they could sell the bowl swag to the highest fuckin' bidder. I'm saying sell the fucker for RETAIL. A four hundred dollar xbox for four hundered dollars. I'm wondering if that's even legal. That's all.

That's fairly straight forward in the case of an XBox. But how do you determine the retail price of a gold pants? Or a conference championship ring? Or an autograph? By definition, the "retail" value of those things is whatever you can get someone to pay for them. Which, I think, goes straight back to Jax's point.