Should semipro/college players be paid, or allowed to sell their stuff? (NIL and Revenue Sharing)

[zincfinger]

The cases of Tom Zbikowski and Jeremy Bloom come to mind.

Bloom was unable to play college football at Colorado if he was paid endorsement money for being the world champion moguls skier that he was.

Tom Zbikowski was allowed to have a professional fight in 2006 while still at ND. (Despite the fact that most of you never knew he was a boxer, since the TV guys never mentioned it).

If both of those NCAA decisions had been just the opposite, it would have made more sense to me. Bloom was a world champion who also happened to play football, Zbikowski would have been an unknown boxer if he hadn't also been a football player at ND.

A valid point. And I certainly wouldn't argue that the NCAA is completely consistent in its rulings, or that one couldn't find arguable logical lapses in NCAA rulings. What I am arguing is that 1) giving players a bunch of stuff and allowing them to sell it for cash would be to indirectly pay the players cash, and would thereby ruin the game, and 2) college players aren't enduring a financial hardship beyond what students in other pseudo-professional fields are enduring.

 

[BUCKYLE]

A valid point. And I certainly wouldn't argue that the NCAA is completely consistent in its rulings, or that one couldn't find arguable logical lapses in NCAA rulings. What I am arguing is that 1) giving players a bunch of stuff and allowing them to sell it for cash would be to indirectly pay the players cash, and would thereby ruin the game, and 2) college players aren't enduring a financial hardship beyond what students in other pseudo-professional fields are enduring.

So as long as payments are made in secret and those caught are punished (sometimes), then it's best to just ignore it all and pretend CFB is pure?

 

[zincfinger]

I'm saying that a chem student can get a shitty lab assistant job doing chemistry shit. TP can't coach QB's in summer camp for fear he may make too much money.

An above average football player spends quite a bit of time on football. Hell, I was an average HS football player and I had practice six days a week for four hrs a day plus about seven hours on gameday. So a HS football player, on average, spends 30+ hrs a week on just football. I can't imagine TP spending less. That's not counting his class work.

And I'm saying a chem student is unlikely to get that shitty lab assistant job, and that even if he does, the shitty lab assistant job is not going to pay more money than the jobs that TP can get. Full disclosure: I have a Ph.D. in chemistry from Ohio State. I worked 80+ hours per week, because I had to, and the notion that I could have gotten some outside job is laughable. Both because I didn't have the time, and because no one would have hired me (except to clean glassware) while I was still just a student. I know TP works his ass off, I know he has limitations on the manner in which he can personally benefit from the fruits of his labor. There are probably a couple thousand graduate students at OSU right now who can say the exact same thing. And I'm not crying for them. They signed up, knowing of the advantages and sacrifices of their situation. As did TP.

 

[BUCKYLE]

And I'm saying a chem student is unlikely to get that shitty lab assistant job, and that even if he does, the shitty lab assistant job is not going to pay more money than the jobs that TP can get. Full disclosure: I have a Ph.D. in chemistry from Ohio State. I worked 80+ hours per week, because I had to, and the notion that I could have gotten some outside job is laughable. Both because I didn't have the time, and because no one would have hired me (except to clean glassware) while I was still just a student. I know TP works his ass off, I know he has limitations on the manner in which he can personally benefit from the fruits of his labor. There are probably a couple thousand graduate students at OSU right now who can say the exact same thing. And I'm not crying for them. They signed up, knowing of the advantages and sacrifices of their situation. As did TP.

But people would be willing to pay TP, and not just because they want to break NCAA rules. Because he has a marketable skill prior to having a degree. He doesn't need four years of education to make money showing kids how to play QB.

 

[MaxBuck]

So far the only arguments I've seen here against allowing student-athletes to sell their swag relate to the claim that "only 10-16 schools will end up being competitive."

Like that hasn't happened already. How many teams have played in the BCS NC game since its inception? In 13 games, 15 total teams.

 

[zincfinger]

So as long as payments are made in secret and those caught are punished (sometimes), then it's best to just ignore it all and pretend CFB is pure?

No need to insinuate that those who disagree with you do so only because they're delusional. I'm aware CFB isn't "pure". The difference between you and me is, perhaps, simply that you are happy to institutionalize the "impurities", whereas I'm hoping to tamp them, while being fully aware they will never be fully eradicated.

 

[zincfinger]

But people would be willing to pay TP, and not just because they want to break NCAA rules. Because he has a marketable skill prior to having a degree. He doesn't need four years of education to make money showing kids how to play QB.

So your argument is that TP deserves his alleged salary moreso than some chemistry graduate student does? That may be. I personally wrote NIH grant proposals that ended up bringing 7 figures to the University, but I'll acknowledge that TP likely brings more money to the University than I ever did. Is that the determining factor as to when students should be paid? If an undergrad has a hand in elucidating a multi-million dollar cure to tuberculosis, does the cash value of his work make him compensable? What's the numerical cutoff as to when you make a student a pro?

 

[Muck]

But people would be willing to pay TP, and not just because they want to break NCAA rules. Because he has a marketable skill prior to having a degree. He doesn't need four years of education to make money showing kids how to play QB.

Maybe TP isn't the best choice for your example.

Regardless the real solution is to end the anti-competitive gentleman's agreement with the NFL and let 18 y/o's be drafted. THAT is the real sacred cow that everyone wants to preserve by focusing on inane trivialities such as kids getting compensated to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars in the form of a free education & associated perks deserving "more".

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Tom Zbikowski was allowed to have a professional fight in 2006 while still at ND. (Despite the fact that most of you never knew he was a boxer, since the TV guys never mentioned it).

You're making that up. Next thing you'll try and tell us is that Brady Quinn's sister was dating AJ Hawk. I'm not falling for it.

 

[BB73]

You're making that up. Next thing you'll try and tell us is that Brady Quinn's sister was dating AJ Hawk. I'm not falling for it.

I didn't expect you to, despite the fact that you wore a half-Trojan jersey to the USC game at the 'Shoe a couple of years ago.





I'm not questioning bkb's Buckeye loyalty, he just happened to have a used condom stuck under his armpit. I didn't ask him about it at the time, and I've never mentioned it until now.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I didn't expect you to, despite the fact that you wore a half-Trojan jersey to the USC game at the 'Shoe a couple of years ago.





I'm not questioning bkb's Buckeye loyalty, he just happened to have a used condom stuck under his armpit. I didn't ask him about it at the time, and I've never mentioned it until now.

Well... as it happens, it turned out to be the worst good luck charm ever. You'd think the Illinois game would have taught me that.

 

[Gatorubet]

No need to insinuate that those who disagree with you do so only because they're delusional. I'm aware CFB isn't "pure".

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[Buckskin86]

Posted on Thu. May. 19, 2011
Smith stirs pot with pay comment
Only large schools could afford giving athletes a ?stipend.?
By Tom Davis
of The News-Sentinel

One would think Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith has enough controversy on his plate right now. On top of Buckeyes football coach Jim Tressel admittedly lying to his superiors regarding compliance issues, Smith doesn?t need to stir up anything else.

But that?s what he and Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany did in recent comments regarding paying student-athletes in their conference a stipend above and beyond their athletic scholarships.

The Big Ten leadership is discussing covering the difference between a student-athlete?s tuition, fees, room and board, and books and the so-called full cost of attendance, which involves costs such as transportation, clothing and other living expenses.

?Forty years ago, you had a scholarship plus $15 a month laundry money,? Delany told ESPN.com. ?Today, you have the same scholarship, but not with the $15 laundry money.?

Studies suggest such a discrepancy could reach upward of $3,000 annually.

?How do we get back more toward the collegiate model and a regulatory system that is based more on student-athlete welfare than it is on a level playing field?? Delany asked. ?Where everything is about a cost issue and whether or not everybody can afford to do everything everybody else can do??

Cont...

http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110519/SPORTS/105190317/1002

 

[WolverineMike]

is it possible for just one conference to do this? Seems like it would have to be a NCAA nationwide thing.....BUT, think about what a shift in recruiting would be like if only the big 10 were able to do this. I would think something like that would be HUGE selling point to a recruit

 

[BUCKYLE]

http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110519/SPORTS/105190317/1002

Seems I'm not the only one.