Should semipro/college players be paid, or allowed to sell their stuff? (NIL and Revenue Sharing)

[MililaniBuckeye]

I still firmly believe that the most appropriate mechanism is to allow student-athletes to sell their autographs, memorabilia, bowl swag, whatever. This approach will allow the most marketable athletes (e.g., Pryor and Cam Newton) to realize their market value when it is at its peak. No detriment would result to the synchronized swimmers; they just wouldn't be able to make much money off their stuff.

And then you'd have all the top-flight recruits going to the schools whose boosters will pay the most for their bullshit, which is precisely what the NCAA is trying to avoid.

 

[Muck]

Um guys let's not lose sight of the fact that scholarship athletes already receive a monthly cost of living stipend.

Let's be clear...you are arguing that athletes should receive more money than they currently do.

As far as selling their personal property...of course they should be allowed to do so. Conversely we need to stop giving them free shopping trips in local electronic stores just for going to a bowl game.

 

[BUCKYLE]

All other students wouldn't be able to launder a shit-ton of money just because of who they are, which is exactly what would happen if there wasn't restrictions in place. How many fucking times do we have to explain why players cannot--and should not--be allowed to sell any of their stuff while under schoalrship? Nobody held a fucking gun to their head and forced them to sign the LOI.

All other students don't have to launder money. They can just earn it.

And then you'd have all the top-flight recruits going to the schools whose boosters will pay the most for their bullshit, which is precisely what the NCAA is trying to avoid.

Top flight recruits already go to the schools that provide the best facilities, bowl appearances, stadiums, etc...most of which was paid for by the boosters. In case you didn't notice, it's not like OU pulls in five stars.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Top flight recruits already go to the schools that provide the best facilities, bowl appearances, stadiums, etc...most of which was paid for by the boosters. In case you didn't notice, it's not like OU pulls in five stars.

If athletes can sell their swag, like Mili said, it will take about a nanosecond for a big booster like the ones being investigated at Auburn to decide they'll pay XX dollars for an autographed jersey of HS recruit Y next year when said autograph is on their schools jersey.

Dad then picks up the phone and asks OSU how much their boosters would be willing to pay for hot shots autograph on their jersey next year.

etc etc etc and it would be 100% legal.

 

[Gatorubet]

All other students don't have to launder money. They can just earn it.

You mean for their tuition, books, rent and meals? If not for that, then don't go to school, go to work, because work is more important. Once you let them earn money from selling shit just because they ball - or pay them $$ for playing ball - then the door is open and any semblance of amateur status is gone along with any way to monitor who gets what from boosters and hangers on.

Hell, SMU and the Southwest Conference was the free market system.

 

[BearBuck27]

Um guys let's not lose sight of the fact that scholarship athletes already receive a monthly cost of living stipend.

Correct. I'm trying to find the link for OSU, but I believe the number for OSU student athletes living off campus is around $850/month.

Here's a link that discusses this somewhat

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footba...o-scholarships-and-stipends-?urn=ncaaf-136534

I didn't really have time to read the article so I skimmed and I think it mentioned Dwyane Jarret (USC) received around ~$960/month for a cost of living stipend.

EDIT: The OSU figure came from a Q&A section of a newspaper a couple months ago. I can't remember which one. I tried the Dispatch's blog but couldn't find the exact article. It might have been from the CPD or ABJ but not sure.

 

[jwinslow]

Um guys let's not lose sight of the fact that scholarship athletes already receive a monthly cost of living stipend.

To cover their housing costs, which they can spend how they please (they can live in a tent if they'd like).

They aren't getting allowances to cover their movie outings, mall purchases or music gear.

Now I'm not arguing that CFB players are broke, but stipends are enough for shelter in addition to their tuition, equipment & eating help.

 

[BUCKYLE]

If athletes can sell their swag, like Mili said, it will take about a nanosecond for a big booster like the ones being investigated at Auburn to decide they'll pay XX dollars for an autographed jersey of HS recruit Y next year when said autograph is on their schools jersey.

Dad then picks up the phone and asks OSU how much their boosters would be willing to pay for hot shots autograph on their jersey next year.

etc etc etc and it would be 100% legal.

It's already happening. More than I ever wanted to believe.

You mean for their tuition, books, rent and meals? If not for that, then don't go to school, go to work, because work is more important. Once you let them earn money from selling shit just because they ball - or pay them $$ for playing ball - then the door is open and any semblance of amateur status is gone along with any way to monitor who gets what from boosters and hangers on.

Hell, SMU and the Southwest Conference was the free market system.

So kids on academic schollies can't earn?

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

All other students don't have to launder money. They can just earn it.

You think Joe Pupil could earn just as much at his part-time job at Burger Fuck as Joe Quarterback could get if he could sell anything of his to boosters at highly-inflated prices?

 

[jwinslow]

You think Joe Pupil could earn just as much at his part-time job at Burger Fuck as Joe Quarterback could get if he could sell anything of his to boosters at highly-inflated prices?

1) It makes no sense to compare the average joe from one scenario to the superstar from the other. I had friends in my computer science dept at my school who made HUGE money working for Microsoft, Electronic Arts and other companies while going to school. None of that is really the point he's making though.

2) Joe Pupil could make a lot of money illegally selling equipment from his job. That has no correlation to a discussion about how much a student can potentially work/earn as an employee while going to college vs a busy college football player.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

1) It makes no sense to compare the average joe from one scenario to the superstar from the other. I had friends in my computer science dept at my school who made HUGE money working for Microsoft, Electronic Arts and other companies while going to school. None of that is really the point he's making though.

It exactly the point he's trying to make. And I flat guarantee you that: 1.) the example of your compsci friends were the exception, and not the rule, to the majority of college students, and 2.) the money athletes could make selling their shit to boosters at outrageous prices would dwarf what the compsci kids made.

 

[jwinslow]

It exactly the point he's trying to make.

No, it's clearly not. He's pointing out that CFB players have to engage in shady money laundering through memorabilia sales or secret handshakes to get extra cash to burn.

And I flat guarantee you that: 1.) the example of your compsci friends were the exception, and not the rule, to the majority of college students

How much money can Terrelle Pryor legally and realistically earn compared to an average college student (outside of breaking rules)? That's his point.

the money athletes could make selling their shit to boosters at outrageous prices would dwarf what the compsci kids made.

You could make huge sums of money illegally selling stuff you snagged working at various internships & employments. None of that has any relevance to a discussion about what you earn as a college kid working there.


I agree a CFB player has his baseline expenses taken care of much easier than an average student, but then Pryor isn't an average student. He's a prodigious talent, like some standout students. But unlike the average student, Pryor has to engage in illegal or shady practices to get extra money for typical college frivolities beyond survival (food, shelter, sleep, books).

 

[Gatorubet]

It's already happening. More than I ever wanted to believe.



So kids on academic schollies can't earn?

Not only is there is no law or rule that says the terms of academic scholarships and athletic scholarships should be the same, there is no logical reason to make them identical. If you do that, then be consistent. Don't let them get partial scholarships, because football athletes get full rides. And since the academic scholly person can lose it by sucking at grades, then the athletic scholly person should lose it for sucking at man coverage.

The two are different. Quit acting like they should be similar for no other reason than you want to give the athletes stipends. Are you giving the academic kids stipends in addition to the tuition and books and housing? Do we have to force companies to give engineering students million dollar signing bonuses if they leave school their sophomore year because they look like they might be good engineers? Has anyone seen Thor yet?

 

[BUCKYLE]

Not only is there is no law or rule that says the terms of academic scholarships and athletic scholarships should be the same, there is no logical reason to make them identical. If you do that, then be consistent. Don't let them get partial scholarships, because football athletes get full rides. And since the academic scholly person can lose it by sucking at grades, then the athletic scholly person should lose it for sucking at man coverage.

Tell it to the SEC.

The two are different. Quit acting like they should be similar for no other reason than you want to give the athletes stipends. Are you giving the academic kids stipends in addition to the tuition and books and housing? Do we have to force companies to give engineering students million dollar signing bonuses if they leave school their sophomore year because they look like they might be good engineers? Has anyone seen Thor yet?

Who is making the NFL give signing bonuses? It's an enticement to sign. If a reg student has the ability, you bet your fucking ass a company in their field will hire them after two years in college. I'm sure everyone that works for EA Sports had to wait three years before turning pro.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

No, it's clearly not. He's pointing out that CFB players have to engage in shady money laundering through memorabilia sales or secret handshakes to get extra cash to burn.

No, he was saying that CFB players should just get jobs like the average student. And CFB aren't fucking forced to do shit. They get virtually every aspect of their education provided for them at no cost, whilst Joe Student has to either work a job or rely on Mom and Dad. Players even get a stipend, and they are also allowed to get a job just like a "normal" student can.

How much money can Terrelle Pryor legally earn compared to an average college student? That's his point.

His point is that players aren't being fairly compsenated for the money they bring in. My point is that they are.

You could make huge sums of money illegally selling stuff you snagged working at various internships & employments. None of that has any relevance to a discussion about what you earn as a college kid working there.

Yeah, I bet there a shit-ton of compsci boosters wanting to buy the mousepad of OSU's top graphic designer...

I agree a CFB player has his baseline expenses taken care of much easier than an average student, but then Pryor isn't an average student. He's a prodigious talent, like some standout students. But unlike the average student, Pryor has to engage in illegal or shady practices to get extra money for typical college frivolities beyond survival (food, shelter, sleep, books).

No he doesn't have to engage in anything illegal. He can get an off-season job. How about his parents maybe sending him a few bucks a month? With his every basic need (tution, books, housing, food) being fully covered, along with a stipend, he is so far of the average student it's not even funny.