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Shaggy Texas - Shaggy Bevo, Thujone, MS Pain, Butt Hurt, and BBQ (RIP)

For some reason I was under the impression you also went to Chicago?
As careers go, wine importing seems decent. A lot of lawyers over there... but being a lawyer anymore is as crowded as getting a business degree.



I'm honestly not sure if you're talking about the USC dynasty, or the Miami dynasty here. The 2002 and 2005 NCs are both classics imo... most of these games end up rather lopsided.



The VTech game kinda kills it, but I'd honestly put 2014 ahead of 2002 if we're looking at the teams that went to the Natty. Having to go through #1, #2, and a B1G CCG (plus #8 MSU beating #5) kind of mitigates against the VTech too.

Masters from the University of Chicago Committee on International Relations. Undergrad was Ohio State. I had actually planned on going back to Chicago for law school after leaving the government in 99 but had taken a year off to just go do grunt work in Napa Valley and chill out when a couple of people approached me about starting the first company. From friends who have done big firm law, get the sense that most are utterly miserable regardless of the money, so I have no regrets.
 
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I tend to put a premium on defense, and I don't think that 2005 Texas was a dominant defensive team. They were a dominant offensive team, and I think that last year's Buckeye team is actually a very good end of the year comparable for them: But 2005 UT gets the edge for being undefeated (another thing I put a bug emphasis on) and for being a powerhouse right from the beginning of the season, unlike the 2014 Buckeyes.

I also don''t think that 2005 USC was as great as people think because they were entitled and blew off defense for large portions of that season, much like 2002 Miami. I think that both 2002 OSU and 2005 Texas get a bit too much credit for ending "dynasties" because 2002 Miami and 2005 USC and were not nearly as strong defensively as their respective 2001 and 2004 NC teams from the prior years and were ripe for the picking despite the ludicrous talent on their rosters.

What I am hoping, of course, is that the 2015 Buckeyes put the discussion to rest by keeping their heads on straight, remaining relatively injury free and obliterating everything in their path.
 
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I tend to put a premium on defense, and I don't think that 2005 Texas was a dominant defensive team. They were a dominant offensive team, and I think that last year's Buckeye team is actually a very good end of the year comparable for them: But 2005 UT gets the edge for being undefeated (another thing I put a bug emphasis on) and for being a powerhouse right from the beginning of the season, unlike the 2014 Buckeyes.

I also don''t think that 2005 USC was as great as people think because they were entitled and blew off defense for large portions of that season, much like 2002 Miami. I think that both 2002 OSU and 2005 Texas get a bit too much credit for ending "dynasties" because 2002 Miami and 2005 USC and were not nearly as strong defensively as their respective 2001 and 2004 NC teams from the prior years and were ripe for the picking despite the ludicrous talent on their rosters.

What I am hoping, of course, is that the 2015 Buckeyes put the discussion to rest by keeping their heads on straight, remaining relatively injury free and obliterating everything in their path.

If anyone ended a dynasty, it was 2014 Ohio State. If Bama beats us, there's no doubt that they go and plunger Oregon, making it four championships in six years and headed into this season as preseason #1. Now if they win it this year, all's back on track, but if they don't that'll be three years straight that they don't and maybe don't even make the championship game, and it'll be safe to say that their run stopped at last year's Sugar Bowl.
 
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I wanted to pop over to see if they had anything to say about Briles/Baylor shenanigans ... being how they seem to flip between supporting Baylor/TCU in the name of BXIIBXIIBXII and crapping on them for daring to be better than Texas.
(the Baylor fans there went full PedState cult fwiw)

Anyway, they've apparently turned their attentions onto a hapless Iowa State chap in T̶h̶u̶j̶o̶n̶e̶ Ord's thread now.
BBQ is serious business over there... not sure why, it's the most unimaginative food I can think of. That they claim to have invented burning meat and slathering it with sugary condiments is confusing. Pretty sure every culture since the dawn of mankind figured out how to burn meat. But I guess it fits into the whole MURICA thing along with the obesity that comes with it.

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This has been a fantastic little journey into the Texas psyche.

Far and away the most neg rep I've ever received, and I didn't even say something that's insulting in it's literal sense. "Overrated" doesn't mean "bad" or "substandard". It means "not as good as it's made out to be" or "not as good as you think". When something gets held out as the best, it's bound to be overrated by definition of the term. It's not like I said "Texas BBQ sucks", but to you guys, anything less than the highest praise is perceived as a slight. But it's only on the things you hold in the highest regard, and your level of pride in this particular area is so high that a statement which indicates not that this thing is poor/bad/inferior, but merely less than you hold it up to be is met with pitchforks. That's how much pride you take in this idea.

Frankly, I respect that level of investment and pride in what you do, even if I don't agree with your stance.


I tend to put a premium on defense, and I don't think that 2005 Texas was a dominant defensive team. They were a dominant offensive team, and I think that last year's Buckeye team is actually a very good end of the year comparable for them: But 2005 UT gets the edge for being undefeated (another thing I put a bug emphasis on) and for being a powerhouse right from the beginning of the season, unlike the 2014 Buckeyes.

I also don''t think that 2005 USC was as great as people think because they were entitled and blew off defense for large portions of that season, much like 2002 Miami. I think that both 2002 OSU and 2005 Texas get a bit too much credit for ending "dynasties" because 2002 Miami and 2005 USC and were not nearly as strong defensively as their respective 2001 and 2004 NC teams from the prior years and were ripe for the picking despite the ludicrous talent on their rosters.

What I am hoping, of course, is that the 2015 Buckeyes put the discussion to rest by keeping their heads on straight, remaining relatively injury free and obliterating everything in their path.

I've always been under the impression that Reggie Bush killed USC.
Without that scandal and then the sanctions just as the scandal was dying down, they would still be a powerhouse. Pete Carroll is slimy, but he can clearly coach and doesn't leave w/o the Bush meltdown.

If anyone ended a dynasty, it was 2014 Ohio State. If Bama beats us, there's no doubt that they go and plunger Oregon, making it four championships in six years and headed into this season as preseason #1. Now if they win it this year, all's back on track, but if they don't that'll be three years straight that they don't and maybe don't even make the championship game, and it'll be safe to say that their run stopped at last year's Sugar Bowl.

In a way can't FSU claim to have stopped SEC U's dynasty? I mean, the SECSECSEC is all really 1.
I honestly don't want to face Alabama in a semi this year... would rather see them in the final if they're good enough to make it. Even so, I expect any such game to be just as brutal as 2002. Expect concussions, broken bones, etc. Deepest team wins =/
 
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I wanted to pop over to see if they had anything to say about Briles/Baylor shenanigans ... being how they seem to flip between supporting Baylor/TCU in the name of BXIIBXIIBXII and crapping on them for daring to be better than Texas.
(the Baylor fans there went full PedState cult fwiw)

Anyway, they've apparently turned their attentions onto a hapless Iowa State chap in T̶h̶u̶j̶o̶n̶e̶ Ord's thread now.
BBQ is serious business over there... not sure why, it's the most unimaginative food I can think of. That they claim to have invented burning meat and slathering it with sugary condiments is confusing. Pretty sure every culture since the dawn of mankind figured out how to burn meat. But I guess it fits into the whole MURICA thing along with the obesity that comes with it.

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This has been a fantastic little journey into the Texas psyche.

Far and away the most neg rep I've ever received, and I didn't even say something that's insulting in it's literal sense. "Overrated" doesn't mean "bad" or "substandard". It means "not as good as it's made out to be" or "not as good as you think". When something gets held out as the best, it's bound to be overrated by definition of the term. It's not like I said "Texas BBQ sucks", but to you guys, anything less than the highest praise is perceived as a slight. But it's only on the things you hold in the highest regard, and your level of pride in this particular area is so high that a statement which indicates not that this thing is poor/bad/inferior, but merely less than you hold it up to be is met with pitchforks. That's how much pride you take in this idea.

Frankly, I respect that level of investment and pride in what you do, even if I don't agree with your stance.




I've always been under the impression that Reggie Bush killed USC.
Without that scandal and then the sanctions just as the scandal was dying down, they would still be a powerhouse. Pete Carroll is slimy, but he can clearly coach and doesn't leave w/o the Bush meltdown.



In a way can't FSU claim to have stopped SEC U's dynasty? I mean, the SECSECSEC is all really 1.
I honestly don't want to face Alabama in a semi this year... would rather see them in the final if they're good enough to make it. Even so, I expect any such game to be just as brutal as 2002. Expect concussions, broken bones, etc. Deepest team wins =/
I don't think you understand barbecue well...at all. There is so much more to proper smoking and what low and slow does to meat. I'm glad folks take pride in it-it makes the world a FAR better place.
 
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If it's any darker than pink and not extremely thin sliced... it's overcooked AFAIC.
Ever had raw beef on pho? Now that's food.
Ever had thin sliced cow tongue? To die for.
Or tartare? The French don't get much right, but they know how to cook w/o just slathering cheap cuts of meat with sugar.

Do you honestly think ancient civilizations were cooking at high temps? Of course they used low-temp long-time to eat meat. The only thing new with BBQ is the excessive focus on sugar... usually through store-bought HFCS-riddled condiments.
 
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If it's any darker than pink and not extremely thin sliced... it's overcooked AFAIC.
Ever had raw beef on pho? Now that's food.
Ever had thin sliced cow tongue? To die for.
Or tartare? The French don't get much right, but they know how to cook w/o just slathering cheap cuts of meat with sugar.

Do you honestly think ancient civilizations were cooking at high temps? Of course they used low-temp long-time to eat meat. The only thing new with BBQ is the excessive focus on sugar... usually through store-bought HFCS-riddled condiments.

Texas bbq is primarily beef. they dont normally "slather" sauce on beef. Any of the chefs that made the dishes you referenced would appreciate the shit out of a great bbq'er. Its harder than you think and can be more delicious than you can imagine. I dont like sugary tomato based sauces btw. Your food knowledge is weak.
 
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If it's any darker than pink and not extremely thin sliced... it's overcooked AFAIC.
Ever had raw beef on pho? Now that's food.
Ever had thin sliced cow tongue? To die for.
Or tartare? The French don't get much right, but they know how to cook w/o just slathering cheap cuts of meat with sugar.

Do you honestly think ancient civilizations were cooking at high temps? Of course they used low-temp long-time to eat meat. The only thing new with BBQ is the excessive focus on sugar... usually through store-bought HFCS-riddled condiments.
Yes I've had beef prepared in just about every way imaginable. The right beef cooked the right way, is always tremendous. But the cuts that are smoked are simply delightful done that way and aren't appropriate for rare cooking most often. If you can't enjoy smoked food, then it is you that is unrefined. ...and you don't have to riddle it with sauces...
 
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Texas bbq is primarily beef. they dont normally "slather" sauce on beef. Any of the chefs that made the dishes you referenced would appreciate the [Mark May] out of a great bbq'er. Its harder than you think and can be more delicious than you can imagine. I dont like sugary tomato based sauces btw. Your food knowledge is weak.

It's covered beforehand, and then put on again afterwards. That's slathering. Remember, your Medium is a Super Size everywhere else in the world.
And yes, it has sugar... nobody said anything about tomatoes but OK.

Actually I know for a fact that the in-laws (both can cook damn good) wouldn't touch that shit if you paid them to. My mom did some BBQ when they visited, both had 1 bite and had to stop. Too rich. Too much sugar. She's pretty good at BBQ too. Once I left the country and recovered my taste buds, you couldn't pay me to eat more than 1 bite of it either -- I'll enjoy the 1 bite, but no thanks. It's a dessert, not a meal. It's an everyday battle in Murica to not get bamboozled into the endless cycle of sugar.

Yes I've had beef prepared in just about every way imaginable. The right beef cooked the right way, is always tremendous. But the cuts that are smoked are simply delightful done that way and aren't appropriate for rare cooking most often. If you can't enjoy smoked food, then it is you that is unrefined. ...and you don't have to riddle it with sauces...

You can add sugar to anything and make it taste "good" to Americans... but it doesn't make it cuisine anywhere else.
Beef is good... making an entire meal out of beef is not ingenious. Adding sugar to everything in your diet isn't good for you or your tastebuds -- it's also just lazy.
If preferring food that is a little more balanced between the obesity-inducing all-meat all-HFCS diets of MURICANS makes me "unrefined", I'm fine with that. :lol:
 
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It's covered beforehand, and then put on again afterwards. That's slathering. Remember, your Medium is a Super Size everywhere else in the world.
And yes, it has sugar... nobody said anything about tomatoes but OK.

Actually I know for a fact that the in-laws (both can cook damn good) wouldn't touch that [Mark May] if you paid them to. My mom did some BBQ when they visited, both had 1 bite and had to stop. Too rich. Too much sugar. She's pretty good at BBQ too. Once I left the country and recovered my taste buds, you couldn't pay me to eat more than 1 bite of it either -- I'll enjoy the 1 bite, but no thanks. It's a dessert, not a meal. It's an everyday battle in Murica to not get bamboozled into the endless cycle of sugar.



You can add sugar to anything and make it taste "good" to Americans... but it doesn't make it cuisine anywhere else.
Beef is good... making an entire meal out of beef is not ingenious. Adding sugar to everything in your diet isn't good for you or your tastebuds -- it's also just lazy.
If preferring food that is a little more balanced between the obesity-inducing all-meat all-HFCS diets of MURICANS makes me "unrefined", I'm fine with that. :lol:
again, it's quite obvious you don't really know much about barbecue because there is no mandatory need to add sugar to anything. Low and slow cooking does not demand sugar, it is a possibility to add but it is not a requirement. you can choose to limit what you eat, It's all a personal choice, but your comment to make it clear you really aren't familiar with what slow cooking and barbecue are really all about.
 
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