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tedginn05
Legend
As we know, Ohio State only retires numbers of former Heisman winners. With the exception of Chic Harley since the Heisman wasn't around then, but if it was, I think he would have won three of them. This was long debated by the Athletic Department who for a long time said there was too many great players at Ohio State to start retiring all of the numbers of those players. They finally decided, all the former Heisman winners would get their numbers retired at OSU.
Here's my question, say a player like Troy Smith wins the Heisman next year, in five years should his #10 be retired? What if its Ted Ginn, does that mean that his #7 should be retired?
Here's my question, say a player like Troy Smith wins the Heisman next year, in five years should his #10 be retired? What if its Ted Ginn, does that mean that his #7 should be retired?
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I think it depends on the situation. If a player has made a SUSTAINED contribution to the program, then I say yes. On the flipside, if he is a one year wonder (which is rare, but not impossible for a Heisman winner) or doesn't necessarily have SUSTAINED success, then I say no. I think you also have to look at the success of the program during his tenure (which is usually, but not always taken care of in the Heisman voting). If Troy were to continue to build on his current record (2 wins over scUM), the team makes a nice run next year, and he wins the Heisman (which I think is a long shot, as much as I love the guy) then I would say yes, retire the #10 at some point. Just my opinion.
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illinoisbuckeye
Heisman
im not trying to bring up bad blood or anything but this too is my opinion on your opinion.
If Ginn were to win the heisman, that i say yes retire his number. he has contributed to the success of our program and won us games.
The same could be said about Smith, but according to what you said earlier, you stated "sustained contribution to the program" by taking money from the booster, he did not sustain his contribution to the program, but rather hurt it and its image. smith is a great player and i hope him all the success in the world. since the little incident, he has dedicated himself to the program and the university. when you think of what all the other players to have their numbers retired have done, would it really be fair to put troy up there with them?
In all seriousness, do you guys agree?
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jimotis4heisman
Banned
i dont believe in retiring numbers...
chic was voted the best player of the first half of the century.
chic was voted the best player of the first half of the century.
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tedginn05
Legend
Me, I personaly think they should retire Nugent's #85. I know the retiring of a kicker's number never happens(to my knowledge) in college football. He may have not won the Heisman, but he did contribute alot to the program. He won us many games. Think of how many kickers hold the school record for most points in a career with over 350 points. How many kickers were named MVP for their team.(I believe he was named MVP by the team, is that right?)
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You must really try hard at coming up with such outlandish shit. Might as well retire Marcus Marek's number, seeing as he holds the career record for tackles, or Pete Johnson since he holds the record for scoring in a season. Or how about retiring the number of every player to have won a major award (Outland, Butkus, etc.)? There are dozens of players who have been able to "contribute alot to the program".
Let me lay this out for you: Having their number retired is the single greatest honor players can have...you don't just hand out number retirements like candy. There has to be a minimum baseline, and for Ohio State that is being a Heisman Trophy winner (with the obvious exception of Harley). Nugent isn't even a galatic possibility.
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Future Heisman winners and only future Heisman winners.
Hopefully running out of numbers becomes a problem after we retire a few more.
Hopefully running out of numbers becomes a problem after we retire a few more.
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JXC
17-4 since 2001
I'm not totally against retiring #85...he an all-american on the 2002 national championship team. He was as good and as popular as a kicker can get in college football. I don't think they ever will...nor really should...I just don't think it's that rediculous of an idea.
I do think the school needs Big 10 Championship and National Championship signs somewhere.
I do think the school needs Big 10 Championship and National Championship signs somewhere.
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We had a punter that was a 3-time All-America in the 70's - Tom Skladany.
He was as great a kicking specialist as Nugent was, and they are both great Buckeyes.
But neither one deserves serious consideration for getting their number retired. And in my opinion it is foolish to even propose it.
Mike Doss was a three-time All-America from the 2002 NC team. I don't think his number should be retired, either, but at least in his case it's not a discussion that came out of left field.
Or from the concession stand. :tongue2:
He was as great a kicking specialist as Nugent was, and they are both great Buckeyes.
But neither one deserves serious consideration for getting their number retired. And in my opinion it is foolish to even propose it.
Mike Doss was a three-time All-America from the 2002 NC team. I don't think his number should be retired, either, but at least in his case it's not a discussion that came out of left field.
Or from the concession stand. :tongue2:
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1998_OSU_Grad
Junior
Yes for either Ginn or Smith. OSU has established its rules for having a number retired. Imho, it's pretty cut and dry.
I think the more interesting question would be (and it was alluded to earlier) which non-Heisman trophy winners should have their number retired? I saw Skladany, Nugent... how about Spielman, Hawk, Tatum, Bentley (a stretch, but arguably the best center in OSU history), Springs, Glenn...
Thoughts?
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I voted "No" but I guess my point would fall in between "no" and "depends on the player."
I really don't like the idea of retiring numbers at this level. I've always been of the opinion though that "honoring" a number would be a cool thing to do. What I mean is, post a banner of a # and under it put the name of the player. At present, I would suggest banners of the #'s of the Heisman winners and of Harley.
If numbers are going to be retired, again it would fall more into the "depends" category. To me, Harley and Griffin are the only two that would deserve that high of an honor. Simply winning the Heisman wouldn't be enough. Guys LIke Gino Torretta can win the Heisman, yet he probably isnt one of the top 100 players ever to play at Miami.
The only other circumstance would be doing something outside of football, ala Pat Tillman. But, then the argument might come that should we retire all Buckeye players who have ever been killed in service. Tillmans was kind of a special circumstance because he turned his back on the riches of the NFL.
Bottom line, it's a tough call. I'd love to see another #45 or #47 on the field tearing it up. What an honor that would be to that kid, but it ain't gonna happen.
I really don't like the idea of retiring numbers at this level. I've always been of the opinion though that "honoring" a number would be a cool thing to do. What I mean is, post a banner of a # and under it put the name of the player. At present, I would suggest banners of the #'s of the Heisman winners and of Harley.
If numbers are going to be retired, again it would fall more into the "depends" category. To me, Harley and Griffin are the only two that would deserve that high of an honor. Simply winning the Heisman wouldn't be enough. Guys LIke Gino Torretta can win the Heisman, yet he probably isnt one of the top 100 players ever to play at Miami.
The only other circumstance would be doing something outside of football, ala Pat Tillman. But, then the argument might come that should we retire all Buckeye players who have ever been killed in service. Tillmans was kind of a special circumstance because he turned his back on the riches of the NFL.
Bottom line, it's a tough call. I'd love to see another #45 or #47 on the field tearing it up. What an honor that would be to that kid, but it ain't gonna happen.
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This would be very cool if done right... and would highlight our tradition at #7 (green, galloway, germaine, gamble, ginn)
not sure if it should be done in the stadium (limited space, takes away from heisman winners), or rather somewhere where the fans walk.
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