Retiring Numbers (Merged)

[Nicknam4]

Yeah I was mistaking #40 with Janowicz

 

[osugrad21]

Yeah I was mistaking #40 with Janowicz

I'd suggest reading some history of the program before posting anything else in this thread

The game has changed...guys like Vic helped the game evolve. In his era, he was as dominant and versatile as anyone to ever wear the uniform.

 

[BB73]

Bill is smiling somewhere.

I'm not old enough to have seen Chic play, but when I was in the stadium on the day they retired his number I didn't wonder if it was appropriate. Besides the "House that Harley Built", these quotes best display that he was truly an all-time great.

Following Harley's sophomore season, he was named to famed Walter Camp's All-American team. It was the first time Camp, who had been an All-American at Yale and later helped revolutionize the game, had ever bestowed such an honor on a sophomore.

In 1950, when the Associated Press selected its All-Star college football team of the first half of the 20th century, the well-known running back great Red Grange from Illinois was a second-team selection. The first-team running backs were Carlisle's Jim Thorpe and Ohio State's Chic Harley.

That's from this link:

official.site

 

[buckiprof]

Since a precedent has been set, it is obvious that #10, the number worn by a Heisman winner, will be retired. If it is not retired, as have the previous Heisman winners, then something is very, very wrong.

I don't think that we will have to worry about "running out of numbers" if OSU retires every Heisman winner's number. In my lifetime, and I am not quite the old-timer that others are but close to it, there have been 4 Heisman trophies won by an OSU football player that resulted in 3 numbers being retired. The pace would have to pick up quite a bit in OSU Heisman winners for the "running out of numbers" to become worrisome to me in the remainder of my life.

And if OSU were to go on a serious Heisman winning spree, and OSU were to run out of whole numbers to place on uniforms, then maybe a petition to the NCAA could be put forth to start using irrational numbers on uniforms. Since there are so many more irrational numbers than rational numbers, no one would ever, ever, ever, run out. In addition, how cool would it be to be the first player to wear the number pi ? Personally, I would petition for the number 'square root 2' since it has a more deadly history to its discoverer.

Carry on and Grad, merge this thread at anytime.

EDIT: Wow Grad, merging it as I type?

 

[Bleed S & G]

They already retired too many which is resulting in too many duplicate numbers. I think it was stupid that they retired #47 and #40. Really the only ones that need to stay are #45 and #27, since Archie got 2 heismans and Eddie was just amazing. So, 10 should NOT be retired. Let's face it, we get a lot of amazing players and if we retire all the heisman numbers eventually we will retire them all. Not a good idea. I say, if retiring is needed, retire only the legends that were the best of the best of the heisman winners.

Too many duplicates due to retiring numbers? Umm 40, 45, 47, 27, 31, 22.. yeah between #1-99 those 6 really hurt.. 93 numbers available.. 11 players on the field at one time, how many dress? I really don't think those numbers are the reason why there are duplicates.. and if they are, 6 guys have duplicates.. so what? give em to the scout team..

Yeah!! Screw Howard Cassady and forget about Chic Harley.. EDDIE EDDIE EDDIE!!



Only the "legends".. Eddie's career wasn't legendary.. It probably could be argued that Troys career was more legendary

But Harley surley wasn't "legendary" so i agree his number should be pulled down:

Charles Wesley "Chic" Harley (September 15, 1895 - April 21, 1974) was one of the outstanding American football players of the first half of the 20th century and the player who first brought the Ohio State University football program to national attention. Harley was Ohio State's first consensus first-team All-America selection and first three-time All-America selection. In 1951 he became a charter inductee in the College Football Hall of Fame.

Retiring the numbers needs to be exclusivley available to either 3-time all americans, heisman winners, or none at all. Looks to be they've gone the heisman route and Troy will soon join them and rightfully so.

 

[jwinslow]

Bill is smiling somewhere.

He's too busy training his son as a cornhole hustler.

 

[osugrad21]

He's too busy training his son as a cornhole hustler.

That really doesn't sound right....

 

[Nicknam4]

I'd suggest reading some history of the program before posting anything else in this thread

The game has changed...guys like Vic helped the game evolve. In his era, he was as dominant and versatile as anyone to ever wear the uniform.

You know me I can't remember anything.

 

[joefoshow]

i think the hiesman winners jersey should be retired but the ohter people who have there numbers in the rafters shouldn't be retired just up there for show

 

[Sportsbuck28]

I've got a damn good feeling we'll be retiring #28 soon.

 

[Nutriaitch]

I haven't read this whole thread, so maybe someone already touched on this:

Retiring numbers should be rare.
It makes it that much more of an honor if it rarely happens.
I think I saw in this thread that y'all have 6 retired jerseys?
That's not bad. Better than the Celtics who have something like 30.
By then, you can't distinguish between them, and when the younger generation comes up, they don't appreciate the greatness of some of those guys.

 

[BB73]

tOSU now has 7 retired football jerseys. Here are their BP threads.

#22 - 1944 Heisman winner Les Horvath
#27 - 1995 Heisman winner Eddie George
#31 - 1950 Heisman winner Vic Janowicz
#40 - 1955 Heisman winner Howard "Hopalong" Cassady
#45 - 1974 & 1975 Heisman Archie Griffin
#47 - College HOF Charter member Chic Harley
#99 - Football Pioneer Bill Willis

Here's a quote from Coach Tressel that partially explains why the non-Heisman winners have received the honor.

About halfway down the hall is the Archie Griffin media suite, where interviews will take place. A three-man memorial in the hall stands out.

"We thought the three most prominent guys in Ohio State football were Bill Willis, Archie Griffin and Chic Harley," Tressel said.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Why retire it? They already retired too many which is resulting in too many duplicate numbers. I think it was stupid that they retired #47 and #40. Really the only ones that need to stay are #45 and #27, since Archie got 2 heismans and Eddie was just amazing. So, 10 should NOT be retired. Let's face it, we get a lot of amazing players and if we retire all the heisman numbers eventually we will retire them all. Not a good idea. I say, if retiring is needed, retire only the legends that were the best of the best of the heisman winners.

I just read this gem of a post.

They already retired too many which is resulting in too many duplicate numbers.

Uh, we've had duplicate numbers forever, especially back in the days of unlimited scholarships. Even with the current reduced amount of scholarships, the amount of walk-ons we carry necessitate the need for duplicate numbers.

I think it was stupid that they retired #47 and #40.

Why? You even know who these folks are? Without Chic Harley (#47), Ohio State football as a whole, and Ohio Stadium in particular, wouldn't exist as we know and appreciate it today. Hoopalong Cassady (#40) not only won the Heisman Trophy, he also helped lead the Buckeyes to the 1954 National Championship...only he and Les Horvath have both a national championship and the Heisman Trophy for Ohio State.

Really the only ones that need to stay are #45 and #27, since Archie got 2 heismans and Eddie was just amazing.

You want to talk about someone who was amazing? Try Les Horvath (#22). He played both halfback and quarterback (depending on the formation). He ranked second in the nation in rushing, third in total offense, was unanimous All-America, Most Valuable Player in the Big Ten, won the 1944 Heisman Trophy, and led Ohio State to a 9-0 record (finished #2 behind Army). He played over 400 of the 540 minutes during that season.

Let's face it, we get a lot of amazing players and if we retire all the heisman numbers eventually we will retire them all.

We have seven Heismans (six winners). The Heisman has been around since 1935...over 70 years. Even if we average a Heisman winner every decade, it'll be a long, long time before we approach running shorts of jersey numbers.

 

[calibuck]

Totally agree that Chic Harley needs to be on the 'Ring of Retired Numbers' for many of the reasons that were mentioned in the above threads....

But Bill Willis wasn't a Heisman winner, nor did he have a stadium built for him, but isn't his number retired? And along the same lines (and I'm probably wrong), is Troy Smith's #10 retired on the above Ring? He by golly won the Heisman.......

PS, we've got duplicate numbers out there now. One is on offense, and one is on defense. As long as they don't appear on the field at the same time (?) that's legal? (I guess). If they do appear on the field at the same time, is there some sort of nullifying effect (kinda like if one goes back in time and comes in contact with themselves at a younger age)......

kinda bored at work........:gobucks3::gobucks4:

 

[jwinslow]

Yeah I'm not real sure what you're driving at cali... as far as Troy, give it more than 1 year before drawing any conclusions. It's not an instantaneous process, especially when another retirement (done just in time for Willis) occurred during that year.