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Race in America-2008

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Tresselbeliever;1366903; said:
I don't want fall into the trap of identifying with an -ism, but in this case, I totally side with the libertarian interpretation and prescriptions for the problem of rampant poverty in most black neighborhoods.
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To be sure I get you philosophically, then you would have opposed social security when it was first proposed, instead having them look to their family or their own devices to cope with old age and the death of a family wage earner?
 
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Gatorubet;1366927; said:
To be sure I get you philosophically, then you would have opposed social security when it was first proposed, instead having them look to their family or their own devices to cope with old age and the death of a family wage earner?
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Way to be off topic Gator! I would like to address that in the poli board. Do you have any comments about what I said about alleviating poverty?
 
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Sorry, but I was trying to gage what you meant by libertarian, and to the extent many libertarians advocate opposition to the biggest social welfare gig we have, I was trying to use my own internal litmus test to see if you were "libertarian light" or invested to a greater extent to that philosophy, i.e., a "true believer".

It was going to help frame my response. Sorry to get off track.
 
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BuckeyeMike80 said:
Sadly even the holidays bring out the worst in some people.

On Christmas eve, I was personally hit with a racial slur over a parking spot. This individual was not even in the same lane as I was when I was parking and I only saw her when she was pulling up behind my car as I got out.

She yelled at me for taking the spot, ending with "You're nothing but a faggot ass white boy".

My response was better and was in no way racial.

People of all races only see race and it's a worldwide problem, not just a US problem (despite what you'll see on our all-knowing news networks and I say that with the utmost sarcasm). We can all claim we do not, but it's a human failing. People will use their race to their advantage, against another person and/or as a way to exploit their situation. Sad as it is, only the individual can fix the problem. The government can't and won't do squat to fix the problem because the problem can't be fixed by a government program or a grant or any of that other garbage.

Governments can't change the perception of people, only the person who holds that perception can change. The Russians tried and failed. The Germans tried and killed millions of people.
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yeah, she should have atleast been nice enough to call you carrot top!!
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joking aside, this has generated some interesting discussion and viewpoints. im fascinated with some of the views and life experiences of you guys.
 
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Tresselbeliever said:
I don't want fall into the trap of identifying with an -ism, but in this case, I totally side with the libertarian interpretation and prescriptions for the problem of rampant poverty in most black neighborhoods.

It's important to realize that in order to mold youngsters into productive members of society, it's crucial to provide work opportunities commensurate with their level of skill at an early age. The minimum wage law hurts these young people the most, because most often they are the ones who lack the skill to be paid at or above the min. wage. By seeking to promote greater equality in outcome, the law has in fact promoted much greater inequality in opportunity, which in the end caused the original objective to fail as well.

The best thing that can happen to the inner city are $7 dollar and hour sweat shops that allow able bodied individuals to work. If we are serious about shipping jobs back to the US and getting people out of poverty, this is the tough pill that we have to swallow.
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umm if you want to start $7 an hour sweatshops fair warning that tomorrow everyone will get a $.30 raise. 1/1/09 min wage is $7.30.
 
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Gatorubet;1366999; said:
Sorry, but I was trying to gage what you meant by libertarian, and to the extent many libertarians advocate opposition to the biggest social welfare gig we have, I was trying to use my own internal litmus test to see if you were "libertarian light" or invested to a greater extent to that philosophy, i.e., a "true believer".

It was going to help frame my response. Sorry to get off track.
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Fair enough.

I support the end to which social security is trying to meet, which is ultimately to ensure that individuals have adequate savings to fund their retirement.

However, my opinion of social security from an operational standpoint is that it's nothing more than a ponzi scheme. A lot like the recent Madoff scandal. Money comes in from current wave to pay off obligations to the previous wave and continues to recycle as long as the age demographic permits. Just like Madoff's investors, the baby boomers will soon find that their 'savings' into this 'fund' have been exhausted. The insolvency of SS is not an opinion, it is a fact.

A far as health care is concerned, I am in favor of having the government paying hardball with pharmaceudical companies to get the cost of prescription drugs under control. Having the government, whether at the federal or state level, negotiate with drug makers would create more leverage for consumers. If such tactics fail for whatever reason, I believe that the terms for patents should then be reduced.

Regarding medical procedures, I believe that the government should contract independent economists to determine the ballpark figure for the maximum profit, or more importantly, the price at which this profit is achieved, for each given procedure should Medicare subsidies cease to exist. The figure would then be used as a cap for the cost to patients. My personal belief is that the Medicare subsidies has contributed to the upward pressures on costs.

I am also in favor of eliminating Medicare subsidies for procedures that fail to prolong the length of life in any material terms and impose substantial burden on the taxpayers.

Now can you let me know what you think about the min. wage and how it affects minorities? :wink2:
 
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Taosman;1368917; said:
Why don't you try actually making a contribution to this thread?
Or is this all your capable of ? :tongue2:
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