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Race in America-2008

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Taosman;1316266; said:
Jimotis, this was not your best effort at starting a discussion. Are you trying to become just another ekeen? Or do you have more to offer? Seriously. It's up to you.
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Is that a political statement in your avatar? :evil:

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I have no racial problems in my world. there are people of all races walking around where I live and work and play. I don't look down on any one of them.
I associate with any person who earns my respect irregardless of background.
I hire whoever walks in the door that can perform the tasks I appoint to them.
I do meet people who claim racial bias in their world but I am not in charge of their world. I have people working for me that use terms like "that is pretty white of you". And if they want to think and say that then I think less of them for it.

When the subject of advancement comes up and someone states that they are being held down I ask what they have done to better themselves.

In todays America there are options for all sorts of self promotion and the only thing that keeps anyone from being a rich person is their own education, talents, and desire.
There are absolutely racial incidents that happen just as Ord has posted. I figure the authorities in that neck of the woods will handle it. well guess what boys and girls, there are racial and slavery issues all over the world. There are areas of the world where slavery is alive and very active right now , at this moment, in our world. Where is all the outrage about that ?
I can guarentee you all that there is prejudice of some sort in everyone's lives.
For Grad it appears to be people who load and unload boats. :biggrin:
People are people everywhere.
Race in America ? only in your mind if you let it be there.
 
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I have some thoughts to add here.

This ran in the Washington Post, San Fran Chronicle and many other mainstream newspapers. Ted Rall folks. Daily Kos, Huffington Post and the others. This ran in over a 100 mainstream papers in America.

Sorry for getting angry this is nuanced stuff non one should get angry about. The true champions of civil rights spoke out against it. She's a Republican it's ok to say it.

I respect David Duke because he keeps things out in the open. I don't like the people that hide behind a hood and the whispered conversations. Barack can't be questioned but if you're a Republican minority we can say anything.

I'm too stupid to obviously see your back cornering whisperings. I enjoy the champions of social justice. Robert Byrd, Ted Rall, etc. Thanks for putting your real feelings out there.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Aside from the fact that within the lifetime of many posters on this board, the "black experience" was often one of Jim Crow segregation and lynchings, one need only turn their eyes to Baylor University for the answer of "does race still matter in America."

Fight, fire, noose incite concerns at Baylor University | Texas Cable News | TXCN.com | News for Texas | Local News: TV
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interesting you cite that since more than once effigies of palin were hung and they were "just halloween decorations"
 
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osugrad21;1317156; said:
Gotcha...and gave you that point. However, I did ask you how long that lasted? Were they also forced to "Separate but Equal" laws of the last century?
"irish need not apply" was openly posted between ww1 and ww2.


Where is it? That's a great question...an even better one is why one blatant prejudice went away and the other did not. Both sides of my family trace back to Ellis Island. I've heard the stories and I've also heard of the progress and opportunity. Was that true for blacks?
its hard to put a time frame on such things.


Good discussion, but I really don't see where we are in much disagreement beyond you trying to give me a parallel situation which is in some way supposed to diminish my original point. I can appreciate your thoughts and your point, but I still don't see them as equal to what has been happening in this country to African-Americans. Racism goes both ways, but until both sides start accepting the viewpoints of the other, it will never get better.
even more so than that discrimination goes so many ways. race, relgion, gender, sexual orientation etc. so often we look at problems through straws and fail to see the larger issues/discussions.
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i said it in obamas thread about the current "black flight" of the families of obamas generation to suburbia.

i also honeslty never thought about an african american/bi racial president. it never seemed out of the question to me. granted when i see the world i see commonalities, not differences...
 
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America is the greatest country on the face of the earth. For all the negatives some people like to propagate about America this is the bastion of everything that's right in the world.

8 years after 9/11 we elect an African American with an Islamic sounding name. For all the people that thought in the post 9/11 world would be a replay of the Japanese during WII we proved how much bigger we are than the rest of the world. A black guy with the middle name Hussein got elected President. This is a really big deal. A man who's father was an immigrant and not part of some old money family got to be the leader of the free world. This is why America is such a great place. We go through one of our greatest national traumas ever and elect a black guy with the middle name Hussein president less than 10 years after the worst terrorist attack in history propogated by Muslisms. That in of itself speaks to how great this country is and why we stand above others.

One of the reasons I have such a strong distaste for liberalism and the left is I think it minimizes American exceptionality. The left wants to Europeanize America without any thought to what that means. When exactly have liberal icons France and Germany ever elected an Algerian or Turkish person to any office of significance? Europe is a place where Cameroonian soccer star Samuel D'Eto gets monkey chants hollared at him. The world the left wants to turn this country into is more backwards than an Ole Miss football game. Europe has a major anti-racism campaign at soccer games because of racist chants directed against African players. Despite being the tolerant liberal ideal in Europe this backwards bigotry doesn't even happen in the SEC.

America is the only country on earth where the Amish, Orthodox Jews, Hippies, white supremecists and Sihks can live in peacefull coexistance. This great country affords someone the chance of any race to live a life that meets your expectations and values.

Europe has very racist political parties elected to positions of power. Austria and Beligum had them elected to positions of power. Jen Marie Le Penn in France nearly won the presidency of France on a platform and beliefs that actually mirrors what every left winger believes the Republican party is in America.

The left in this country doesn't realize America's greatness. Germany, France and Spain is the ideal of what America should become. Despite it's flaws it's more exceptional than any of these countries.

These countries place the group over the individual and thus they end up with these situations. This is what a significant number of ill informed Americans clamour for America to become.

I've been criticised on here for not having travelled overseas and not knowing how the rest of the world does it better than us. Both of these allegations are completely false. Because I've been overseas and seen the rest of the world I loathe to immitate it. The left in America places some blind, non realistic expecatation that because Western Europe is more liberal than us they must some how be morally superior because of their left wing political situations. They fail to see or argue that countries that they are more wealthy per capita than us are those that are oil rich or most importantly those who are free economically. Your classic uniformed liberal thinks Spain and it's monkey chants against Africans at soccer games is more enlightened than us because they have nationalized healthcare.

But hey France with it's numerous Algerian-French politicians and the riots in the suburbs of Paris which aren't about race or culture is what we need to turn America into. They eat truffles so they must be great.

Do any of these superior countries to us around the planet have an Obama, Deval Patrick, Bobby Jindal, Mel Martinez, Ben Nighthorse Campbell, Daniel Inouye, Ken Salazer, Joe Lieberman, Keith Ellison in their political system. We have more of diverse races, backgrounds and religons of any country on the planet. I think this is what makes America great and I don't want us to end up like the liberal ideal.
 
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dayton i dont necessarliy agree with everything you say but i can disagree further than obamas background. his father was a grad student at harvard, his mother had a ba, ma and phd. she then remarried to lolo who worked for the oil industry when they were togerther, the divorced (her second divorce). madelyn dunham was a veep at a bank.

baracks story is historic and awesome. however it fails to meet horatio algeris standards, imo.
 
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In one of my posts were I talked about Liberals liking Obama because of the revenge of the elites and I mentioned which I think is a very salient point for race which is Ralph Ellison's Invisible Man.

Instead, white people see blacks according to their own agenda. In Ellison's age and novel, it was as invisible -- today, it's as a vassel that white's can project their own attributes into. So they project onto Obama the qualities they hope to find there.
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You know talking with a friend tonight I realized another good example of this projection/invisible man complex.

Harold and Kumar go to White Castle. It's just about a bunch of pot heads Daytonbuck what does this have to do with anything?

This move beyond politics and I'm sure I'm talking to crickets on this one but here goes.

Harold and Kumar for all it's charm as a stoner movie has some pretty good insight.

In the beginning of the movie Harold's co-worker dumps a bunch of work on him because "he's asian, he likes math." Despite working with the guy and having the chance to know him he projects his stereotype onto him.
 
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When we, the voters look at any candidate, we want to see something of ourselves in them. We naturally project. That's part of the whole selection process. Logic does not always rule.
Curiously, what I see is a Lincolnesque leader. The right guy for our time. Barack does say he reads Lincoln.
 
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