Race in America-2008

[Flocka]

Taosman, this was probably your best effort at sounding smart. Are you trying to solidify your status as Cap'n o' the FAILboat? Or do you have more to offer? Seriously. It's up to you.

I don't mind it, I like researching all the different fail boat pics.

 

[osugrad21]

By the way, I am not an Italian-American or German-American, I am an American. It still rankles me that people choose their heritage before being an American.

Ironic statement. Last time I visited the Charleston, SC Market, I didn't get pictures of Italians, Germans, and Irish unloading off of the boats for auction.

When I see images of Jim Crow, fire hoses, and dogs attacking, the victims don't appear Irish, German or Italian.

It is ironic that we expect immediate forgiveness for some sins...and immediate acceptance of apologies.

Sorry Apache, I despise the Al Sharptons as much as the next guy...as much as I despise the David Dukes of this world.

..but until we all stop trying to think for the "other" side (whichever it may be for each of us) nothing will change.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

I'm a big fan of the Boston Marathon. The Columbus Marathon kinda sucks.

And don't get me started on the Iron Man competition. Those things are for sissies.

 

[MaxBuck]

...Obama was on his way to South Africa in Air Force One to celebrate. The announcer said that anybody would know that was not true because Boeing could not have manufactured and installed the new mag wheels and bling on Air Force One yet.

I can see a 767 looking pretty fly with a set of 20s.

 

[Gatorubet]

Ironic statement. Last time I visited the Charleston, SC Market, I didn't get pictures of Italians, Germans, and Irish unloading off of the boats for auction.

When I see images of Jim Crow, fire hoses, and dogs attacking, the victims don't appear Irish, German or Italian.

It is ironic that we expect immediate forgiveness for some sins...and immediate acceptance of apologies.

Sorry Apache, I despise the Al Sharptons as much as the next guy...as much as I despise the David Dukes of this world.

..but until we all stop trying to think for the "other" side (whichever it may be for each of us) nothing will change.

 

[BUCKYLE]

I can see a 767 looking pretty fly with a set of 20s.

 

[Brutus1]

Jimotis, this was not your best effort at starting a discussion. Are you trying to become just another ekeen? Or do you have more to offer? Seriously. It's up to you.

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[martinss01]

Ironic statement. Last time I visited the Charleston, SC Market, I didn't get pictures of Italians, Germans, and Irish unloading off of the boats for auction.

damn, you really are old! :p odds are you didn't get pictures of many african's either. most of the slave trade in this country came from the islands. more cost effective.

we're all getting the same trophy no matter how/if we finish correct? if im excluded from anything regardless of how much its my fault im sueing you. im serious, you have 1 week.

 

[Muck]

Ironic statement. Last time I visited the Charleston, SC Market, I didn't get pictures of Italians, Germans, and Irish unloading off of the boats for auction.

Yes it is ironic on many levels.

In my family tree are two ancestors who were shipped to the colonies against their will in the 1700s. They were officially indentured servants in perpetuity.

Being dirty paddies they were unloaded in Virginia, maybe that's why you didn't get their pictures.

 

[osugrad21]

Being dirty paddies they were unloaded in Virginia, maybe that's why you didn't get their pictures.

Point taken, but your simplification of the situation does not dismiss my point. Were your ancestors representative of the minority or majority in terms of coming to this country?

Big difference in the two scenarios we gave. One likely ended a long time before the other.

 

[Muck]

Point taken, but your simplification of the situation does not dismiss my point.

My point was that your point was in and of itself a gross simplification.

Were your ancestors representative of the minority or majority in terms of coming to this country?

During the time in question? I'd argue half of the Irish who came to North America did so against their will & faced similar arrangements once here.

That doesn't count the German serfs who were shipped over en masse or the selling of British prisoners into servitude prior to the Revolutionary War (after which they were shipped to Australia).

Big difference in the two scenarios we gave.

Not really. Only in the attention that is paid to the scenarios by modern educators.

Forced bondage is forced bondage.

One likely ended a long time before the other.

Where exactly in those extra 100 years or so is the cut off point for forgiveness & acceptance?

What's the expiration date for the prejudice, abuse & mistreatment heaped upon European immigrants at the turn of the 20th century since it wasn't quite as bad?


The point is that building your identity around bad things that happened to your ancestors isn't likely to be a very productive life choice and that turning historical events into mythological symbols usually does so at the cost of historical perspective.

 

[osugrad21]

My point was that your point was in and of itself a gross simplification.

Not really since you only chose a small section of the entire message...therefore, I'll stick by my original point: "..but until we all stop trying to think for the "other" side (whichever it may be for each of us) nothing will change."

During the time in question? I'd argue half of the Irish who came to North America did so against their will & faced similar arrangements once here.

That doesn't count the German serfs who were shipped over en masse or the selling of British prisoners into servitude prior to the Revolutionary War (after which they were shipped to Australia).

Gotcha...and gave you that point. However, I did ask you how long that lasted? Were they also forced to "Separate but Equal" laws of the last century?

Not really. Only in the attention that is paid to the scenarios by modern educators.

Forced bondage is forced bondage.

...or is it do to the significant difference in the length of the bondage?

Where exactly in those extra 100 years or so is the cut off point for forgiveness & acceptance?

What's the expiration date for the prejudice, abuse & mistreatment heaped upon European immigrants at the turn of the 20th century since it wasn't quite as bad?

Where is it? That's a great question...an even better one is why one blatant prejudice went away and the other did not. Both sides of my family trace back to Ellis Island. I've heard the stories and I've also heard of the progress and opportunity. Was that true for blacks?

A mere 40 years ago is the recognized end of the Civil Rights Movement.

Good discussion, but I really don't see where we are in much disagreement beyond you trying to give me a parallel situation which is in some way supposed to diminish my original point. I can appreciate your thoughts and your point, but I still don't see them as equal to what has been happening in this country to African-Americans. Racism goes both ways, but until both sides start accepting the viewpoints of the other, it will never get better.

The point is that building your identity around bad things that happened to your ancestors isn't likely to be a very productive life choice and that turning historical events into mythological symbols usually does so at the cost of historical perspective.

I appreciate that point of view. However, I also respect a culture's wish to have said identity after the already discussed historical events.

 

[Brutus1]

Ironic statement. Last time I visited the Charleston, SC Market, I didn't get pictures of Italians, Germans, and Irish unloading off of the boats for auction.

When I see images of Jim Crow, fire hoses, and dogs attacking, the victims don't appear Irish, German or Italian.

It is ironic that we expect immediate forgiveness for some sins...and immediate acceptance of apologies.

Sorry Apache, I despise the Al Sharptons as much as the next guy...as much as I despise the David Dukes of this world.

..but until we all stop trying to think for the "other" side (whichever it may be for each of us) nothing will change.

So are you disagreeing with him that we should all be referred to as Americans, rather than (nationality) Americans ? Or, are you saying because of years of oppression for blacks, they should still be referred to as African Americans?

Despite the monumental message that was sent around the world Tuesday, racism will not go away, at least not during this generation. I'm hopeful that Tuesday will be nothing but positive for changing that perception.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Aside from the fact that within the lifetime of many posters on this board, the "black experience" was often one of Jim Crow segregation and lynchings, one need only turn their eyes to Baylor University for the answer of "does race still matter in America."

Fight, fire, noose incite concerns at Baylor University | Texas Cable News | TXCN.com | News for Texas | Local News: TV

 

[Mike80]

Those that see race will make a big deal out of it. Some will make that the ONLY thing they care about - some will take that issue and make it something they to get themselves into the national eye. Others will let it dominate their thinking to where that is the ONLY thing that counts.

those that see a man or a woman will see a man or a woman regardless of their skin color. Unfortunately for all of the screaming from all of the races to the contrary, people like that are very very rare indeed. Human nature I guess, I don't know I'm not a psychologist.