QB/WR Terrelle Pryor ('10 Rose, '11 Sugar MVP)

[ORD_Buckeye]

Couple of things that I need clarification on:

I believe that Brooks is the only source that talks about checks, and he only says they were "seen". Seen by whom? Bankers? Ohio State? The NCAA? "Al's Buckeye Cash Advance And Check Cashing Emporium" staff members?

Brooks also says that the University has been informed of these violations by the NCAA... do we have any confirmation? If so, who discovered these- the University, the NCAA, or others (media)?

Seems like there's still some unanswered questions that might be impacting our speculation on this matter... not that it changes the fact that there's something that needs to be fixed.

My reading of the articles is that the ncaa notified Ohio State of this, not the other way around, and now Ohio State needs to explain why they disassociated Talbott from the program in mid-2010 if they had no knowledge that this was occurring.

Article said Pryor was putting the checks into his personal account. Even if he's cashing them at check exchange, the issuing bank will still have the records. Now, the ncaa might not have authority to look up the banking records, but the irs certainly does and am sure that there are more than a few ncaa attorneys who know the right people to call at the irs to get the wheels turning. Pryor may refuse to talk to the ncaa, but Larry James can't snub his nose at the irs if they want to look into undeclared income. TP is all about TP, so look for his gums to start flapping if he's forced to sit across the table from irs attorneys threatening him with pound me in the ass prison. Sounds like he might want to take his talents to Canada after all.

I'm not concrete on this yet, but I'm about 90% that Gene Smith was trying to bury this for as long as it took him to get out of town with a clean record. Where JT comes into play on these latest allegations, I really haven't read anything substantial.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

The NCAA cant check bank accounts....schools can...if this is true it was handed over to the NCAA by the school not the other way around...im not saying this doesnt have legs but brooks has been wrong alot and he doesnt care

Also, not ALL of these paper trails need to be valid. Even if Brooks is wrong about checks, should any combination of the purchases records, the will-call tickets and the AD's disassociation all check out, it's just as bad.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

My reading of the articles is that the ncaa notified Ohio State of this, not the other way around, and now Ohio State needs to explain why they disassociated Talbott from the program in mid-2010 if they had no knowledge that this was occurring.

Article said Pryor was putting the checks into his personal account. Even if he's cashing them at check exchange, the issuing bank will still have the records. Now, the ncaa might not have authority to look up the banking records, but the irs certainly does and am sure that there are more than a few ncaa attorneys who know the right people to call at the irs to get the wheels turning. Pryor may refuse to talk to the ncaa, but Larry James can't snub his nose at the irs if they want to look into undeclared income. TP is all about TP, so look for his gums to start flapping if he's forced to sit across the table from irs attorneys threatening him with pound me in the ass prison. Sounds like he might want to take his talents to Canada after all.

I'm not concrete on this yet, but I'm about 90% that Gene Smith was trying to bury this for as long as it took him to get out of town with a clean record. Where JT comes into play on these latest allegations, I really haven't read anything substantial.

This is a huge jump...if the IRS requested bank records are they going to hand them over to the NCAA? I dont think so........if this is true and again sports by brooks makes alot of huge sweeping conclusions it more than likely came from the school not the other way around...

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

This is a huge jump...if the IRS requested bank records are they going to hand them over to the NCAA? I dont think so........if this is true and again sports by brooks makes alot of huge sweeping conclusions it more than likely came from the school not the other way around...

I don't know. I hope they do. I'm not looking for legal technicalities and rights of confidentiality to protect us. I want EVERYTHING out in the open. If this means harsher sanctions, so be it. Our athletic department needs a firehose of an enema right now....not the least amount of pain we can get away with.

Right now, we're like a heroin addict. We need to go through withdrawal. It ain't going to be pleasant or pretty, but it's necessary, and we'll hopefully come out of it better than we went into it.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

Also, not ALL of these paper trails need to be valid. Even if Brooks is wrong about checks, should any combination of the purchases records, the will-call tickets and the AD's disassociation all check out, it's just as bad.

Oh its all bad no doubt....If there are checks which would be literally the dumbest way to do all this...it contradicts the "stacks of cash" though and that article is running with it like the checks have been seen...if thats the case then what is everybody waiting on?

 

[bassbuckeye07]

I don't know. I hope they do. I'm not looking for legal technicalities and rights of confidentiality to protect us. I want EVERYTHING out in the open. If this means harsher sanctions, so be it. Our athletic department needs a firehose of an enema right now....not the least amount of pain we can get away with.

Right now, we're like a heroin addict. We need to go through withdrawal. It ain't going to be pleasant or pretty, but it's necessary, and we'll hopefully come out of it better than we went into it.

The withdrawal will last for 7 years

 

[Steve19]

i dont think an ftc exemption makes you "cool" as you suggest. owning two large tv stations in important markets (columbus and indy) probably have a bigger impact.

it depends on exactly how those circulations are counted, sometimes they include all freebies, and do or do not include web hits, app buys, etc.

the wolfe empire is larger than most think, from newspaper, to tv stations, to pro sports ownership, to real estate holdings, etc

Well, having the only daily newspaper and a leading electronic media footprint does give one quite a bit of ability to shape public opinion, don't you think?

 

[jlb1705]

 

[cincibuck]

could be. but, this was the worst kept secret in town. pryor was actively on the prowl at local businesses. imo, i am glad this all stopped where it did, this disaster could have/would have been worse by multiples had it been let to carry on.

another note is that todays dispatch is not your fathers dispatch, politically it may lean right on endorsing candidates for the statewide/national elections, but the day to day operations tend to be filled with nyt articles, and currently they are attacking/hitting kaisich relatively hard (in what i think has been some of their best work in awhile as far as "journalism" goes) beyond that they seem to have jumped on the anti downtown casino boat, and attempted to scare the world on new proposed ccw legislation. long story short, if you were in town ten years ago or more, the paper is not the same, moving more centrist, with even occasions left leaning spots/areas/stints, along with very little original content written by dispatch writers.

long story short, its a worthless nyt, ap, wire paper now with more than half of the editorials syndicated. the only reason i look at the thing is it has the only local hockey coverage.



could be, but everyone who didnt have their head buried ten feet deep in the sand knew this was going on to some extent or another. but yes, this is america, and the goal of american businesses is to sell their products to make money, but the dispatch owes the university nothing, and the dead honest truth is had the ship been clean, no dirt would have been found...

FWIW, the Dispatch is simply the local slant to a national story. Few cities still have a second paper -- gone the Dayton Journal - Herald, the Cincinnati Post, the Columbus Citizen - Journal. The remaining papers are mere shadows of what once was. The Cincinnati Enquirer hasn't had a Columbus based statehouse reporter for more than five years. For years, a good friend of mine, Marc Katz, had the Ohio State football beat for the Dayton Daily News. That position will probably soon be replaced with the story from AP. The TV stations are even worse with few bothering to spend any money on a staff beyond what they need to chase ambulances.

 

[LitlBuck]

I don't know. I hope they do. I'm not looking for legal technicalities and rights of confidentiality to protect us. I want EVERYTHING out in the open. If this means harsher sanctions, so be it. Our athletic department needs a firehose of an enema right now....not the least amount of pain we can get away with.

Right now, we're like a heroin addict. We need to go through withdrawal. It ain't going to be pleasant or pretty, but it's necessary, and we'll hopefully come out of it better than we went into it.

Ohio State could have asked TP for his bank records back in December when they did their "thorough investigation" as stated by their wonderful AD. I mean Ohio State knew that TP was getting something for his memorabilia and that they were doing a thorough investigation and checking everything they could have checked the 5 guys initially involved bank records.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

Well, having the only daily newspaper and a leading electronic media footprint does give one quite a bit of ability to shape public opinion, don't you think?

that is what i was saying, you were saying they waived the ftc exemption around as if they were in junior high and that makes them cool, or something...

FWIW, the Dispatch is simply the local slant to a national story. Few cities still have a second paper -- gone the Dayton Journal - Herald, the Cincinnati Post, the Columbus Citizen - Journal. The remaining papers are mere shadows of what once was. The Cincinnati Enquirer hasn't had a Columbus based statehouse reporter for more than five years. For years, a good friend of mine, Marc Katz, had the Ohio State football beat for the Dayton Daily News. That position will probably soon be replaced with the story from AP. The TV stations are even worse with few bothering to spend any money on a staff beyond what they need to chase ambulances.

agreed. but, im going out on a limb saying that ord was not at ohio state when the cc-j, etc were around. my point was it was and is not the paper and the original newsmaker that it was when ord was in town. as he lives in chi town my point was it does not compare to the big city chi papers, etc.

 

[buckeyesin07]

Terrelle Pryor isn't interested in playing in the Canadian Football League.

It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. I guess it's not exactly surprising that TP doesn't fashion himself as a CFL player.

 

[Steve19]

that is what i was saying, you were saying they waived the ftc exemption around as if they were in junior high and that makes them cool, or something...


agreed. but, im going out on a limb saying that ord was not at ohio state when the cc-j, etc were around. my point was it was and is not the paper and the original newsmaker that it was when ord was in town. as he lives in chi town my point was it does not compare to the big city chi papers, etc.

For someone who expresses opinions so stridently, I wish you'd think before you type. You frequently leap to some conclusion about what you believe someone might have meant and then attribute your conclusions to the poster as if they typed it.

Case in point. Here is my message to which you responded:

Circulation has dropped from 200,000 in 2008 to 149,000 in 2011 (link). That means that circulation was 33% higher than today, just a little more than two years ago. And if they lose the rag, the Wolfe family loses an FTC exemption for newspaper and electronic media ownership that only exists because it predated present laws. And with the exemption goes some clout in powerful circles?

So, alternatively, it could it be that they are in, or would soon enter, financial difficulties. They are, after all, in a dinosaur industry.

Investigative journalistic values or survival motivations to leverage Ohio State's issues to boost internet advertising traffic (and ad revenue) increases, perhaps even as a prelude to selling out?

Where exactly do I make even an implicit remark suggesting that the FTC license exemption is "cool". The FTC no longer allows such cross-media ownership precisely because it puts the media owner in a position to influence public opinion in an unusually powerful way. Which is, of course, quite comical given that an Australian does so with Fox!

I see no evidence anywhere in your posts that that is "what you were saying." Or that ORD was not at Ohio State when the C-J was sold. For the record, I carried for C-J and Dispatch in the 1960s.

My implicit point, which is of relevance to this thread, is that the Dispatch potentially has strong financial reasons for going after Ohio State football and Pryor. Let's keep on topic please.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

For someone who expresses opinions so stridently, I wish you'd think before you type. You frequently leap to some conclusion about what you believe someone might have meant and then attribute your conclusions to the poster as if they typed it.

Case in point. Here is my message to which you responded:

Where exactly do I make even an implicit remark suggesting that the FTC license exemption is "cool". The FTC no longer allows such cross-media ownership precisely because it puts the media owner in a position to influence public opinion in an unusually powerful way. Which is, of course, quite comical given that an Australian does so with Fox!

I see no evidence anywhere in your posts that that is "what you were saying."

My implicit point, which is of relevance to this thread, is that the Dispatch potentially has strong financial reasons for going after Ohio State football and Pryor. Let's keep on topic please.

Circulation has dropped from 200,000 in 2008 to 149,000 in 2011 (link). That means that circulation was 33% higher than today, just a little more than two years ago. And if they lose the rag, the Wolfe family loses an FTC exemption for newspaper and electronic media ownership that only exists because it predated present laws. And with the exemption goes some clout in powerful circles?

So, alternatively, it could it be that they are in, or would soon enter, financial difficulties. They are, after all, in a dinosaur industry.

Investigative journalistic values or survival motivations to leverage Ohio State's issues to boost internet advertising traffic (and ad revenue) increases, perhaps even as a prelude to selling out?

..0.

 

[matcar]

...and maybe you'll take off your hall monitor sash and realize that calling people out for week-old posts that have turned out to be untrue because of new facts is a pretty lame way to spend your time.

Calling you out for being over-the-top...which even a week ago you were. I'll gladly keep the hall monitor title permanently if it tones down the rhetoric around here.