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QB/WR Terrelle Pryor ('10 Rose, '11 Sugar MVP)

ORD_Buckeye;1937601; said:
I've been giving some thought to all the Dispatch bashing. Now, unless the way The Dispatch is run has changed drastically since I've been gone, there's no way that they press Ohio State this hard without John Wolfe's approval--if not active encouragement.

Could it possibly be that Wolfe (and some of the other so-called "titans") in town, want the football program and athletic department exposed and cleaned up because they feel it's in the best interest of Ohio State, which means that it's in the best interests of Columbus.

Combine that with getting "scooped" on a "local" story by national journalists...I'm not sure the dispatch had any choice but to start trying to get in front of the story once they knew that every national media outlet would be thoroughly investigating the program. Lets face it, any dirt was going to come out one way or another. I think the same dynamic would play out anywhere else in the country.
 
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Colvinnl;1937778; said:
Combine that with getting "scooped" on a "local" story by national journalists...I'm not sure the dispatch had any choice but to start trying to get in front of the story once they knew that every national media outlet would be thoroughly investigating the program.

Shameless plug, but we talk about the media coverage today over at tBBC.
 
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Steve19;1937640; said:
Let me try to color inside the lines more explicitly, okay. There has been a rash of arrests of Florida football players during the last decade that certainly must be among the highest of any university in the country, ever. Now, an interesting phenomena is that they have something like a 70% chance of not being prosecuted.

It's really a very simple request that I make. You make that point that there is no evidence that the press in Gainesville is any less aggressive than the press in Columbus. It's really a rather explicit point you make...a point that concerns coverage of Florida football.

No, Steve, you are quite incorrect. Your entire premise is argumentum ad ignorantiam, a false dichotomy.

I might as well say to you, "Steve, it is well known that the South African press has been reticent in investigating and publicizing the level of Springbok sexual abuse at the hands of academics...I challenge you to show me how the South African press has aggressively reported on Springbok academic sexual abuse."

You probably would reply that my premise is silly - that you are being asked to prove a negative. That it should be up to me to prove that the South African press is soft on reporting academic animal sexual abuse, and furthermore, that an absence of evidence regarding the South African Press reporting on that subject is not a sign of a lack of aggressive reporting of a problem, it more likely is a sign that there has been no academic-Springbok sexual abuse to report.

And you would be right. Which is why I asked Josh to provide evidence of our local press being substandard in reporting negatives about the UF football program, rather than me try to find instances when they busted UF's balls about NCAA violations. Because me saying "prove it" to Josh does not impose a burden on me to prove that which is alleged, me saying "prove it" does not magically impose upon me the duty to validate the absence of the unsupported allegation.

Which is why you are engaging a tactic that is classic argumentum ad ignorantiam. Because an absence of recent articles where the local press aggressively reported NCAA rules violations by Florida does not mean the local press is not aggressive in reporting NCAA rules violations - it likely means that UF is not blatantly violating any NCAA rules.
 
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Gatorubet;1937823; said:
No, Steve, you are quite incorrect. Your entire premise is argumentum ad ignorantiam, a false dichotomy.

I might as well say to you, "Steve, it is well known that the South African press has been reticent in investigating and publicizing the level of Springbok sexual abuse at the hands of academics...I challenge you to show me how the South African press has aggressively reported on Springbok academic sexual abuse."

You probably would reply that my premise is silly - that you are being asked to prove a negative. That it should be up to me to prove that the South African press is soft on reporting academic animal sexual abuse, and furthermore, that an absence of evidence regarding the South African Press reporting on that subject is not a sign of a lack of aggressive reporting of a problem, it more likely is a sign that there has been no academic-Springbok sexual abuse to report.

And you would be right. Which is why I asked Josh to provide evidence of our local press being substandard in reporting negatives about the UF football program, rather than me try to find instances when they busted UF's balls about NCAA violations. Because me saying "prove it" to Josh does not impose a burden on me to prove that which is alleged, me saying "prove it" does not magically impose upon me the duty to validate the absence of the unsupported allegation.

Which is why you are engaging a tactic that is classic argumentum ad ignorantiam. Because an absence of recent articles where the local press aggressively reported NCAA rules violations by Florida does not mean the local press is not aggressive in reporting NCAA rules violations - it likely means that UF is not blatantly violating any NCAA rules.

Make your pick in the draft you bum.
 
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A few observations at random here.

1. Some pretty racially-charged comments appeared here earlier, and they're not appropriate. It's quite enough (and accurate) to call Larry James an asshole; it's not necessary to call him a "nappy-headed asshole."

2. matcar and buckeyesin07 can take their little spat outside any time now. Their snippy little barbs aren't very entertaining.

3. Pryor is, I think, probably making the right move in refusing to speak to the NCAA. He'll get more time to get his story straight before the IRS comes a-calling, and there will be less opportunity for all those "discrepancies" with respect to whatever story he'd cook up for the NCAA.
 
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MaxBuck;1937832; said:
3. Pryor is, I think, probably making the right move in refusing to speak to the NCAA. He'll get more time to get his story straight before the IRS comes a-calling, and there will be less opportunity for all those "discrepancies" with respect to whatever story he'd cook up for the NCAA.

i feel like for everything he has done in the past to himself and the university, this is the least he could do for us
 
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MaxBuck;1937832; said:
A few observations at random here.

1. Some pretty racially-charged comments appeared here earlier, and they're not appropriate. It's quite enough (and accurate) to call Larry James an asshole; it's not necessary to call him a "nappy-headed asshole."

That comment was directed at the tattoo parlor owner, not at the lawyer, But either way, the use of the term was already commented on.
 
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1. Get your pick in

2. I already said I wasn't implying Florida was cheating and apologized for that implication

3. I asked what they were like because I was very young, not interested nor able to access the Gainesville sun's take on things. I didn't think it would be such a difficult recollection.

4. This dispatch hounding, as well as other recent gaffes, have been very unlike their typical MO towards OSU. Whether they are desperate for subscriptions, embarrassed they got scooped twice by outsiders, or whatever the treason, this has been pretty unusual hometown paper behavior.
 
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jwinslow;1937842; said:
1. Get your pick in

2. I already said I wasn't implying Florida was cheating and apologized for that implication

3. I asked what they were like because I was very young, not interested nor able to access the Gainesville sun's take on things. I didn't think it would be such a difficult recollection.

4. This dispatch hounding, as well as other recent gaffes, have been very unlike their typical MO towards OSU. Whether they are desperate for subscriptions, embarrassed they got scooped twice by outsiders, or whatever the treason, this has been pretty unusual hometown paper behavior.

What are you talking about... The Dispatch's coverage has been great. Just ask them. They'll tell you.
 
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MaxBuck;1937832; said:
A few observations at random here.

1. Some pretty racially-charged comments appeared here earlier, and they're not appropriate. It's quite enough (and accurate) to call Larry James an asshole; it's not necessary to call him a "nappy-headed asshole."

Reread my post. I called the (white, skinhead looking) pawn shop owner a nappy headed [censored]. BTW, since when did that become "racially charged?" It's in a fucking Stevie Wonder song for Christ's sake. Well, not the mother fucker part.
 
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