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QB Troy Smith (2006 Heisman Trophy Winner)

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Troy Smith under NCAA investigation (again)

This violation is sort of BS, if true. But it may mean Troy misses a few more games. If so, I don't think we beat Texas. Actually, I don't think it'll be close.

OSU looking into more trouble with Smith
Wednesday, July 20, 2005 By Todd Porter Repository sports writer
Ohio State athletics officials are looking into a possible second NCAA rules violation involving quarterback Troy Smith.

Smith attended a quarterback camp held by Tennessee Titans quarterback Steve McNair. Smith was one of six college athletes at the charitable camp, but was the only player of the six whose university is on academic quarters rather than semesters.

If Smith missed a class to attend the camp — as is believed to be the case — he violated NCAA rules.

The Cleveland Glenville product accepted $500 from an OSU booster last year and was forced to sit out the Alamo Bowl, as well as the first game this season.

Working as a counselor at a charitable camp is within NCAA bylaws, provided Smith received written permission from OSU Athletics Director Gene Smith and not missed class. The NCAA has seven other conditions a player must meet to attend an outreach program such as a camp.

Buckeye Head Coach Jim Tressel confirmed to The Repository on Tuesday that the university is studying the situation. However, he said the school’s compliance department is not finished with its inquiry.

Attempts to reach Smith were unsuccessful. Ohio State Associate Athletics Director for NCAA Compliance Heather Lyke declined comment.

Ohio State is preparing to play its opener against Miami of Ohio without Smith. However, the Buckeyes were counting on his availability for the second game against Texas. That game could have early implications on both teams’ national title aspirations.

It is unclear if the latest violation will impact Smith’s current suspension and reinstatement. Smith is currently reinstated with conditions; those conditions are that he miss 20 percent of a season, or two games.

By itself, a violation of Article 12.5.1.1 would not be deemed serious. However, Smith’s history complicates matters.

Since this is Smith’s second violation, it could hinder his reinstatement or cost him more than just the season opener. Tressel declined to talk about the severity of Smith’s latest problem.

Article 12.5.1.1 deals with promotional activities. At the very least, Smith violated condition (d), which grants permission to attend a camp or outreach program so long as the student-athlete does not miss class, and condition (a), which requires written permission from the athletic director or designated coach to attend the camp.

Smith is allowed to be reimbursed for driving to Tennessee to attend the camp so long as the reimbursement is in line with what others would receive.

A violation of bylaw 12.5.1 is what the NCAA deems a Level 1 secondary violation. According to the NCAA, “These violations are potentially serious from a student-athlete reinstatement standpoint, but typically involve little, if any, institutional responsibility. These will be treated as Level I violations with the understanding that the violations will be processed by student-athlete reinstatement, but will be forwarded to enforcement by student-athlete reinstatement only if the institution has culpability for the violation. ...”

A secondary violation is one inadvertent in nature. Since Smith has a prior violation, it is unknown how the latest incident would be viewed.

You can reach Repository sports writer Todd Porter at (330) 580-8340 or e-mail:

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At this point, I am extremely upset at the coaching staff and the athletics department for not having enough intelligence to inform Troy what was within the rules and not within the rules. I doubt Troy had any idea about any possible violation because he missed a class. At this point, I can't bring myself to blame Troy for a minor detail that should have been explained to him by the athletic department and the coaching staff.

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BN,
I disagree. I feel that it's on Troy to say "Hey, I'm going to this camp in Tennessee next week. Is that going to be a problem?"

Then they can inform him about the rules. The staff and department aren't mind readers. If Troy up and goes to Tennessee or wherever the wind takes him and does what he wants to do, then the staff has no control over something like that. These kids have been educated time and time again on what the NCAA rules are. Ignorance is not an acceptable excuse.

If true, then this is all on Troy Smith...AGAIN.

EDIT: And to think that people were booing Justin Zwick at the spring game. That makes me absolutely sick. This kid has done nothing but play his guts out for Ohio State and do what he can to try and make us fans proud. I hope Zwick or Boekman plays every down this season, and whatever the record is we should be proud of it, because it's obvious that Troy Smith doesn't care about the team.
 
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The coaching staff drills the concept of required class attendance into these players from day 1 (well, it actually starts with the recruiting process), so how is it th ecoaching staff's fault that this happened? This is Troy Smith's doing, not the staff's doing. If one is arguing that Troy needs a 24/7/365 babysitter, then IMO that price is too high. It's about time that a certain player pull his head out of his ass.
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Do not get me wrong, some of the blame falls on Troy, but we all know that athletes miss classes for all kinds of reasons and I am quite sure that the athletic department has to approve Smith for participation in this sort of football camp. I am not at all saying he needs a baby sitter and I am not a big Troy Smith supporter, but what I am saying is that the blame needs to be shared by the athletic department and Troy. Most of the time, college athletes are not always clear of the rules, there are a lot of gray areas in the NCAA.

I disagree. I feel that it's on Troy to say "Hey, I'm going to this camp in Tennessee next week. Is that going to be a problem?"

Then they can inform him about the rules. The staff and department aren't mind readers. If Troy up and goes to Tennessee or wherever the wind takes him and does what he wants to do, then the staff has no control over something like that. These kids have been educated time and time again on what the NCAA rules are. Ignorance is not an acceptable excuse.

If true, then this is all on Troy Smith...AGAIN.
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I do believe that the athletic department has to approve participation in summer football camps, but I could be wrong. If he was informed of ALL the rules that is one thing, but if the athletic department didn't do their jobs and ensure he was informed, well then its on the department and the coaching staff. The coaching staff is there to guide these kids.
 
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Dumb decision by Troy............coaching staff not making sure everything is within the "rules". Whatever, all I know is, the NCAA rules are about 75% bullshit, and really start to get on my nerves. You cant sneeze without being investigated by the NCAA. Can't they ease this shit up a bit.
 
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Presumably, if Troy was seeking reimbursement of, or payment of, his expenses, then he must have cleared this with someone in sports administration prior to accepting a place in the camp. Perhaps someone did sign off on this and he did get permission, but just not from the coach or AD?

No matter who is responsible, we did not need this in a possible national championship year. However, I am not willing to give up on beating Texas and Iowa without Troy. After all, Texas sees a mobile quarterback every day in practice.
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Sadly this is another bad decision on Troy's part. Whether or not it was simply an oversight still goes to be seen. When you are walking on egg shells it's not very wise to do things that could further jeopardize your eligibility. That being said I still like our chances at a title........with or without Smith. We've got two other talented QB's that can lead this team........without all the headaches.
 
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Let me get this straight...... A college kid is trying to do a charitable thing and be a counselor at a football camp and now he's in trouble for it because he missed a class because of it? Man, this sucks......
 
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AJHawkfan said:
Let me get this straight...... A college kid is trying to do a charitable thing and be a counselor at a football camp and now he's in trouble for it because he missed a class because of it? Man, this sucks......
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Just another example of the NCAA's overzealous nature...

Anyone remember Rick Majerus having to report a violation after he rode a player to the airport and bought the kid something to eat? Sadly, the kid's mother or father was killed and Majerus was consoling the kid until he could get on a plane to get home.

The NCAA sucks.
 
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