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QB Cardale '12 Gauge' Jones (B1G Champion, National Champion)

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MililaniBuckeye said:
He looked really inconsistent in the spring game, but he did have a couple great long throws. I think that by fall practice he'll have improved enough to where he'll be the clear leader.
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I don't know many college QBs (Barrett included) who would have looked consistent with the plays that were drawn up in the spring game. Jones was asked to throw the ball downfield routinely, and the fact of the matter is that completion percentage--for any QB--just isn't that high on such throws.
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
I don't know many college QBs (Barrett included) who would have looked consistent with the plays that were drawn up in the spring game. Jones was asked to throw the ball downfield routinely, and the fact of the matter is that completion percentage--for any QB--just isn't that high on such throws.
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True, but Cardale was pretty far off target on a lot of throws...it wasn't like he was getting the ball to the WRs and the DBs were swatting them away because they knew what was coming.
 
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jwinslow said:
Cardale remains the most talented and least consistent qb.

JT cannot unleash intermediate and deep lasers like Cardale, but he gets it out much quicker and more accurately. He also operates the option way better (decision making at the mesh point, quickness, field vision, etc)

Braxton is the most gifted runner by a mile but just an okay operator of the option. He throws a much better deep ball than JT but is not as decisive or efficient on shorter throws compared to Barrett. He is the most complete style of qb but his inefficient operation of the offense and lack of durability causes stagnation at times.

The protection was iffy for Cardale and the disruption of that pressure was more effective than normal because two light touches downed 12 gauge. There was no acl threatening pressure but it was there.

I don't really care about inconsistent yardage down field, as they abandoned offensive balance to work on his weaknesses. I also think they limited some of the intermediate routes that he throws well. This was a chance to get better and work on weaknesses and we saw why certain areas still need work.

He still needs to make decisions faster, get the ball out quicker and protect the football better. Those were weaknesses on full display against Alabama. He simply converted an obscene number of 3rd downs to overcome those earlier breakdowns, had the nation's most dominant rushing attack and a defense that played great football for about 10 of the 12 quarters in the postseason.
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Anything said about Braxton should have an asterisk next to it. One reason being the obvious reason, which is that it depends on his health. But another reason that I feel like not many people touch on is the mental side of his game. We are all stuck in the past where we know Braxton was as a true junior QB. He will now be a redshirt senior. Obviously he has not played, but in terms of film study and being better at breaking down a defense, he should be much improved in this area. At least in theory. Those are things that obviously would be better if you combine them with on the field action, but even without playing that skill, which was one of his weaker skills, will only have improved. That's one major reason why I think if his arm is back to healthy or close to it that he will be the starter.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
These are the only points you brought up that I disagree with. JT does have a quicker release, but the difference isn't that much and the amount of zip that 12 Gauge puts on the ball actually results in a net reduction in the time it gets to the receiver for throws 10+ yards down field. I also don't think there's much of a difference in accuracy either. I don't think he missed many passes against Oregon (Devin Smith bailed him out at least twice against Wisconsin, and I think 12 Gauge struggled initially against Alabama). He looked really inconsistent in the spring game, but he did have a couple great long throws. I think that by fall practice he'll have improved enough to where he'll be the clear leader.
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Cardale makes decisions a lot slower than JT when dropping back. Now JT was not as fast early in his career but his efficiency is a lot higher at this point.

Cardale gets behind the play too often, both during the route and in down and distance. That needs to change if he hopes to hold onto the starting qb job.

This is a pretty huge weakness when factoring in his struggles to move the football when keeping it on a true option play.
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
I don't know many college QBs (Barrett included) who would have looked consistent with the plays that were drawn up in the spring game. Jones was asked to throw the ball downfield routinely, and the fact of the matter is that completion percentage--for any QB--just isn't that high on such throws.
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There are underneath routes its just Cardale looks for the big play more than the other QB's. JT doesn't look for the deep ball often and focuses on open recievers and getting the ball out quickly and letting the recievers make YACs. Cardale was definitely off during the spring game and probably approached it differently but you should at least be able to complete 55%.
 
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Let's not act like the Cardales low completion percentage was all Cardales fault. Samuel and Brown alone dropped a good number of balls. Jones looked for the deep ball a lot to see who'd replace Devin, IMO. I would like to think that Cardale would look better with guys like Thomas, Marshall and Smith working with him, but there were also a number of throws that we're not exactly on target. I don't think that Spring game set him completely apart from JT.
 
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I don't put that much stock in the spring game. I think the coaches were looking at a lot of different things with their play calling which would be nothing like calling plays in a game. Urban and Warinner both have said they game plan according to the QBs strengths and they are all different. It is almost like three different teams with each QB. The plays, game planning, play calling, etc everything is different depending who is behind center. Spring game, not so much.
 
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I too was a little miffed by his Spring Game performance. However, to me CJ seems like a type of guy that when the chips are down he plays his best. You don't beat Wisky/Alabama/Oregon in your only three starts and then get thousands of reps in the spring/fall but only to get worse. CJ will be better than we saw him last but the question is is will he be better than JT Barrett. IMO, Braxton is a non issue it's truly between CJ/JT because whoever thinks Braxton is the starter game 1 with zero reps in two years is crazy. If somehow Braxton is able to start game 1 we better win that game because if Braxton plays (and goes 13-30 for 175) and we lose I personally feel it'll be due to Braxton working out the rust still. You just can't afford with a opening game like we have to work out the kinks and shake the rust off. Besides, we owe them (as does JT for that matter).

I know Urban has said there's been zero talk of him playing another position but I hope that's just window dressing because it would be a disservice to Braxton if there already hasn't been. Because if he can't start for our team at QB he's got to see the field in another capacity because after all he's pretty close to our fastest player.

At this point it's anyone's guess but I will say with Devin Smith now gone the need for the deep ball passer isn't nearly as profound as it was last year. JT's game is a little more suitable for his years rendition of the bucks with being accurate and the right reads in the intermediate passing game.
 
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So a nice little story from this weekend.

My brother and I coach our sons' flag football team, in Hilliard. Each Sunday afternoon we have a game behind Darby HS. While playing our game, there was a lot of commotion regarding Cardale Jones being at the field. He was apparently there to watch his nephew play a game.

At the end of our game, all of the boys were excited and wanted to see if they could get a picture with him. We heard Cardale was with a small group, and we were not sure if we was open to taking pictures.

Well, there had apparently been a continuous line of people going up to him and getting pictures and items autographed. All of the boys on our team got their picture taken with him. He was extremely gracious and patient. He took the time to greet each kid individually, shaking their hands and posing for pictures. He never rushed anyone. He smiled throughout, and never showed any signs of being bothered by all of the attention.

Due to all of the attention he received, I don't know how much of his nephew's game he actually got to watch. I did notice that he got in line at the end of the game to participate in the "good game" handshake line with the players and coaches.

He was simply a class act throughout the entire process.
 
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
Anything said about Braxton should have an asterisk next to it. One reason being the obvious reason, which is that it depends on his health. But another reason that I feel like not many people touch on is the mental side of his game. We are all stuck in the past where we know Braxton was as a true junior QB. He will now be a redshirt senior. Obviously he has not played, but in terms of film study and being better at breaking down a defense, he should be much improved in this area. At least in theory. Those are things that obviously would be better if you combine them with on the field action, but even without playing that skill, which was one of his weaker skills, will only have improved. That's one major reason why I think if his arm is back to healthy or close to it that he will be the starter.
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I disagree to a point .nothing said his arm won't be 100% .think you have to consider what j t did without him growing as fast as he did there would be no championship .I mean sure cardale took the bucks all the way he shined for 3 of the biggest games ohio st played in...as for Braxton a lot depends how deep he throw the ball with pain in his throwing arm to me he'd be better as a h-back .
 
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