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Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

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Buckeye86 said:
I generally just ignore the things that I find annoying or to be typical message board BS, this interaction notwithstanding.
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Ok.

I generally agree with the overall notion that I could or should ignore the noise - and believe it or not - I do. Shoot, I disagree with far, far more than I voice my opinion on. Message boards generally offer some of the worst sides of people because of the anonymity and I'm sure that is why there is so much anti-everything on them. I wish there was a lot less of it... Meanwhile, I generally only correspond on Buckeye Planet and avoid all other forums because it shows promise if being more than that. So I post here and often post wishing for a bit more perspective and sanity because - again - this board and it's people are rare in that they've shown to be capable of more. But in the end, as I see more and more posts about me or someone else being "contrarian"I guess I realize that this board doesn't necessarily want to be broader than it is. And that's ok too; it's not my board so it doesn't have to bend to my liking. It just means that I should take a hiatus for a good period. So I'll prolly do that.
 
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alexhortdog95 said:
Why all the hate for Franklin? He had the one incident with players, in which he dismissed them all from the team. Other than that, what else has happened under his watch?
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I don't think anyone is hating on Franklin. I think people are saying (at least the ones that I agree with) that he probably isn't going to make Penn State elite again. Hell, even a "legend" like Joe Paterno didn't have Penn State at an elite level for nearly two decades.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
He was the second choice at Vandy after the HC was forced out and Malzhan turned them down.

He's 24-15 overall and 11-13 in conference play. He uses a healthy dose of UMass and other OOC cream puffs to get Bowl eligible per SEC regulations.

We shall see but I'm not quite ready to skip to his HOF induction speech just yet.
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He did that at Vanderbilt - 24-15 at Vandy is impressive regardless. It is the ceiling for that program.
 
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matcar said:
Ok.

I generally agree with the overall notion that I could or should ignore the noise - and believe it or not - I do. Shoot, I disagree with far, far more than I voice my opinion on. Message boards generally offer some of the worst sides of people because of the anonymity and I'm sure that is why there is so much anti-everything on them. I wish there was a lot less of it... Meanwhile, I generally only correspond on Buckeye Planet and avoid all other forums because it shows promise if being more than that. So I post here and often post wishing for a bit more perspective and sanity because - again - this board and it's people are rare in that they've shown to be capable of more. But in the end, as I see more and more posts about me or someone else being "contrarian"I guess I realize that this board doesn't necessarily want to be broader than it is. And that's ok too; it's not my board so it doesn't have to bend to my liking. It just means that I should take a hiatus for a good period. So I'll prolly do that.
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Meh, I still think it's pretty easy to ignore people and specific conversations that annoy you, although everyone gets wrapped up in things every once in awhile.

It seemed to me like you've been picking fights with people lately which is why I said something. I could be wrong about that.

As I said above, what I've taken from the Franklin conversation is this:

Buckeye86 said:
I don't think anyone is hating on Franklin. I think people are saying (at least the ones that I agree with) that he probably isn't going to make Penn State elite again. Hell, even a "legend" like Joe Paterno didn't have Penn State at an elite level for nearly two decades.
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If someone is saying something other than that I haven't noticed, probably deliberately.
 
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alexhortdog95 said:
Why all the hate for Franklin? He had the one incident with players, in which he dismissed them all from the team. Other than that, what else has happened under his watch?
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To me, it has nothing to do with Franklin, but everything to do with the Pedster cult. When O'Brien was there, there was a general disdain for any success he might enjoy. Now that he's flown the coop, the ill will toward O'brien seems to have dissipated. Same with Franklin. If he stays at Vandy, no one here will speak poorly of the man. If he becomes the next leader of the cult, his name will be changed to something else - most likely involving poop.
 
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Woody1968 said:
He did that at Vanderbilt - 24-15 at Vandy is impressive regardless. It is the ceiling for that program.
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and Glen Mason went 24-13 at Minnesota between 2002 and 2004.

I'm not trying to be dismissive of the guy, just saying that I remain dubious about the hockey stick projections as soon as the guy steps on campus.

Performing well relative to a perennial doormats expectations isn't a lead pipe cinch for success at a big school and lets not forget he's facing two more years of Bowl bans and scholarship restrictions.

He may do very well, he may be mediocre, he may do well and jump to the NFL. I'd say the odds are pretty evenly split amongst all the outcomes.
 
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Buckeye86 said:
Meh, I still think it's pretty easy to ignore people and specific conversations that annoy you, although everyone gets wrapped up in things every once in awhile.

It seemed to me like you've been picking fights with people lately which is why I said something. I could be wrong about that.

As I said above, what I've taken from the Franklin conversation is this:



If someone is saying something other than that I haven't noticed, probably deliberately.
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In my IMO, There is a gulf of difference between elite and 7-5 which I thought I saw bantered. I said he'd win there, more than the monkey going 7-5 but not necessarily at a elite level, although I'm willing to concede that he could be elite...who knows right? I just found it disappointing that Franklin has been largely considered a good coach, but now that he's in PSU's hand, he's meh. Just me.

Anyway, time for me to bitch up and self ban. Hasta la vista!
 
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