Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

The state of PA has a [Mark May] ton more talent than most other states and State Penn could get the lion's share of it sometime soon. comparing PSU to BSU isn't real. Now I like making fun of these fellas as much as the next guy, but ignoring the high school talent available on PA as compared to most states is disingenuous.

What in the hell does the HS talent in PA have to do with JoPed's Boise State recipe for success?

Go to Stassen and look at the schedules from 1966 - 2010. You'll see the similarities to Boise's current recipe.

I guess that means Peterson IS a perfect fit.

 

[cincibuck]

Perhaps but impossible to really know. JoePed could have proven it on the field by taking a shot against Texas. He chose to run and hide. That alone--at least in my book--bars any claim to the Ped Aggys being co-champs that year.

....which brings me back to what I consider the innate fault in bowl games... That 1969 game would have been played in the Cotton Bowl in Dallas, not in a neutral location -- or God forbid, some place where a team from a sunbelt state would have to play out of region.

 

[Onebuckfan]

Needed a playoff in 69..my money is on Kern Tatum and Brockington..

 

[Jaxbuck]

I believe you're missing my point. I'm talking about the guys who do the hiring.

They aren't going to find their (insert program savior name here) if they don't have capable leaders at the school who are able to identify said savior & convince him to join the program.

Do you feel their board of trustees is competent to order lunch...let alone implement the kinds of broad, sweeping changes that are necessary for the school to drag itself out of the hole it currently finds itself dug into?

I see what you are saying. Just assumed the BOT would have to be capable to hire right guy.

I still think the framework is there if the people part of the equation became unfucked.

 

[matcar]

What in the hell does the HS talent in PA have to do with JoPed's Boise State recipe for success?

Go to Stassen and look at the schedules from 1966 - 2010. You'll see the similarities to Boise's current recipe.

I guess that means Peterson IS a perfect fit.

The point is obvious. Any state with that much high school talent has a strong chance of having a high quality collegiate program. I'd guess that while PSU is toxic now, it will resurge again in 5 years now that the old man is gone.

 

[FrancisSoyer]

The point is obvious. Any state with that much high school talent has a strong chance of having a high quality collegiate program. I'd guess that while PSU is toxic now, it will resurge again in 5 years now that the old man is gone.

Not if Urban keeps picking off the top talent like Tressel did.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

The state of PA has a [Mark May] ton more talent than most other states and State Penn could get the lion's share of it sometime soon. comparing PSU to BSU isn't real. Now I like making fun of these fellas as much as the next guy, but ignoring the high school talent available on PA as compared to most states is disingenuous.

I'm not comparing Penn State to Boise today. I agree the Ped Aggy has some huge advantages that the truck drivers will never have--108K stadium, real university, Big Ten membership, fertile recruiting state and two national championships on the shelf. My point was that Ped Aggy was never a true national power until the mid/late 70s and that there are some analogies to be drawn between the Pedsters in Paterno's first decade and the truck drivers over the last five or six years.

I will still stick to my prediction that Ped Aggy could very well morph into an Illinois type program--always better on paper than in practice.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I believe you're missing my point. I'm talking about the guys who do the hiring.

They aren't going to find their (insert program savior name here) if they don't have capable leaders at the school who are able to identify said savior & convince him to join the program.

Do you feel their board of trustees is competent to order lunch...let alone implement the kinds of broad, sweeping changes that are necessary for the school to drag itself out of the hole it currently finds itself dug into?

I agree with this and might go a little further. Maybe it's the old Kremlinologist in me, but I definitely see a leadership struggle going on within the university. You have the interim President (backed by the corporate ceo faction on the board and the governor) publicly stating that football is going to be deemphasized. OTOH, you have the fanbase, the former players and the Ped State crony members of the board going ape[Mark May] at the notion of this, as well as their supposed appeasement to the media, the Big Ten Presidents etc.

My guess is that the coaching search can't help but fall by the wayside in the context of these two factions fighting it out for control of the university.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

I agree with this and might go a little further. Maybe it's the old Kremlinologist in me, but I definitely see a leadership struggle going on within the university. You have the interim President (backed by the corporate ceo faction on the board and the governor) publicly stating that football is going to be deemphasized. OTOH, you have the fanbase, the former players and the Ped State crony members of the board going ape[Mark May] at the notion of this, as well as their supposed appeasement to the media, the Big Ten Presidents etc.

My guess is that the coaching search can't help but fall by the wayside in the context of these two factions fighting it out for control of the university.

I admire and respect your hatred for Penn State

 

[TexasBuck]

Maybe Boise State's Chris Peterson is the right man for the Penn State job.

This is from last year:

Boise State Football Player Charged in Widening Male Rape Case

http://www.towleroad.com/2010/12/boise-state-football-player-charged-in-widening-male-rape-case.html

 

[matcar]

Not if Urban keeps picking off the top talent like Tressel did.

JT + an old Paterno was the perfect storm for us. I'm going to assume that the guy AFTER the next guy will change that. I do agree tha tit is likely that PSU will struggle for a few years, but I think that ultimately they'll rise again. I'm assuming that after about 5 years they'll move on.

 

[jwinslow]

JT + an old Paterno was the perfect storm for us. I'm going to assume that the guy AFTER the next guy will change that. I do agree tha tit is likely that PSU will struggle for a few years, but I think that ultimately they'll rise again. I'm assuming that after about 5 years they'll move on.

And after after two decades of largely irrelevant teams, they're just going to bounce back?

It was Paterno that killed them. It was playing a steady stream of quality big ten teams. Even Boise can get up for a game or two. Ask any program to play in a tough conference annually and things change. The big ten was strong in the late 90s early 00s period that ruined PSU

 

[matcar]

And after after two decades of largely irrelevant teams, they're just going to bounce back?

It was Paterno that killed them. It was playing a steady stream of quality big ten teams. Even Boise can get up for a game or two. Ask any program to play in a tough conference annually and things change. The big ten was strong in the late 90s early 00s period that ruined PSU

B10 was strong and Paterno was not. That was the big difference.

 

[FrancisSoyer]

B10 was strong and Paterno was not. That was the big difference.

Paterno was a God at Penn St. (and college football) and I think he would be who Pennsylvania high school kids wanted to play for. Even then Tress was getting the top talent in the state to come to columbus. Unless they get a coach that can somehow win a lot of games, they're going to be in the basement for a hell of a lot longer than a few years. Penn State football is really screwed IMO.

 

[sflbuck]

This most likely needs to be filed with the Mullens and Peterson rumors, but there is a thread on the PSU free board saying it will be Glenn Mason.

Can you imagine the meltdown if they hire someone that Minnesota fired?