Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

[cincibuck]

B10 was strong and Paterno was not. That was the big difference.

Yes and no. First, Ohio State has dominated the conference since 2000, Michigan and Ohio State through the 90s. In that time Penn State has gone 7 - 12 against the Bucks and 6 - 10 against Michigan. As of the 2007 season they had a 608 winning % overall, third best in the Big 10.

In that same 93 to 11 time frame Iowa has beaten the Bucks exactly twice, Illinois 2, Wisconsin five times plus a 14 - 14 tie, Michigan State 2, Michigan 8.

Champions or co -champions for the same time frame: Ohio State 10, Michigan 5, Wisconsin 5, Penn State 3



i.e. looking at comparisons for the 18 year time frame that Penn State has been in the Big 10 they've established themselves as the third/fourth best team in the conference behind Ohio State and Michigan, possibly Wisconsin.

 

[Onebuckfan]

The whole PSU Program was built around the mythology of Joe Paterno..which has since been blown to hell except among some of his loyal subjects. PSU will take years to re-establish their program. The thing they do have is a large stadium but re-energizing the fan base will take winning now not some mytylogical"we are better than everyone else".ie see ND recently..

 

[Gatorubet]

More buzz about Pelini to Ped State. Brothers of the Corn, what say you, rumor squelching wise?

 

[Jaxbuck]

This most likely needs to be filed with the Mullens and Peterson rumors, but there is a thread on the PSU free board saying it will be Glenn Mason.

Can you imagine the meltdown if they hire someone that Minnesota fired?

If they would be getting the Mason of the 1990's I wouldn't dismiss it too quickly. He could get that next level of athlete at PSU he couldn't get to come to Minny.

He's also got nothing to lose and if he's itching to get back in the game it might actually make sense.

Probably not going to happen but interesting.

 

[GrizzlyBuck]

If they would be getting the Mason of the 1990's I wouldn't dismiss it too quickly. He could get that next level of athlete at PSU he couldn't get to come to Minny.

Agreed, Mason coaches the style Ped State historically uses. He had some excellent success at Minny, considering their recent history. He sent some lineman to the league and had some stellar RBs, sending some to the league as well. Couple that with good defense and if he could recruit at PSU (huge if with the goings on) and they could be at least as good as recently.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

I think that a lot of coaches are interested in the Penn State job, as it is, at worst, a top 15 program. Then they talk to their agents, who basically say, "Are you crazy? That place is toxic." So it doesn't really surprise me that many big names have been floated for that job, but I doubt that a big name ends up accepting it.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Pedsters are piling on Troy Smith with their usual smug self-righteousness, as though nothing even happened to their program and their lying, hypocrite of a coach. Listening to them, one would think that TS had robbed a gas station.

 

[buxfan4life]

Pedsters are piling on Troy Smith with their usual smug self-righteousness, as though nothing even happened to their program and their lying, hypocrite of a coach. Listening to them, one would think that TS had robbed a gas station.

At least no young men were scarred for life due his driving on that suspended license.

I hope the admin goes through with their idea of de-emphasizing football and the fans of the ilk you describe start jumping off cliffs. Time to cleanse the gene pool.

 

[BrutusBobcat]

I think that a lot of coaches are interested in the Penn State job, as it is, at worst, a top 15 program. Then they talk to their agents, who basically say, "Are you crazy? That place is toxic." So it doesn't really surprise me that many big names have been floated for that job, but I doubt that a big name ends up accepting it.

That's why a guy in Mason's position -- not currently coaching, and even if he were, near the end of his career -- is about as good as they'll do. They need a safe, 4-5 year caretaker before they even think about a flashy hire.

Having said that, they also need a guy who can keep the program clean off the field. Mason had a few kids get in trouble at Minny, though that may have more been due to needing to reach a bit in recruiting.

Basically, they need to disappear from the media for half a decade then try again.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I think that a lot of coaches are interested in the Penn State job, as it is, at worst, a top 15 program. Then they talk to their agents, who basically say, "Are you crazy? That place is toxic." So it doesn't really surprise me that many big names have been floated for that job, but I doubt that a big name ends up accepting it.

Agreed. They aren't getting a big name at this time but a guy like Mason has nothing to lose and everything to gain. Worst case all the stuff we think is going to crush their program comes to pass, he shrugs his shoulders and heads back to broadcasting.

Best case for him is the fallout isn't as bad as everyone thinks, he applies his tried and true fundamental style and gets the kind of athletes PSU can pull and possibly in more volume than Joe Pa and company were the past few years.

I know I keep saying it but if they stumble into even a competent guy I don't think they aren't going to fall as far off as a lot of you guys do.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Agreed. They aren't getting a big name at this time.

My Guess is we either have Munchak, Dungy or Cowher commited!

Dream big, Pedsters. It'll make it that much more enjoyable when you get Munsoned.

 

[Jake]

My Guess is we either have Munchak, Dungy or Cowher commited!

I think that poster needs to be committed. :crazy:

 

[Muck]

Pedsters are piling on Troy Smith with their usual smug self-righteousness, as though nothing even happened to their program and their lying, hypocrite of a coach. Listening to them, one would think that TS had robbed a gas station.

If you're talking about the thread on BWI..I stopped by yesterday and got a laugh from this post...(in response to a supposed Buckeye poster who pointed out that more Penn State than Ohio State players have been arrested over the past whatever time frame):

"Possibly but the glaring difference is that Penn State players on the whole are acquitted while buckeyes are convicted. If you can't see the difference well, stay in buckeye land, they will appreciate you. Maybe he can sign on with the Browns....."

As the competence of the Penn State PD has been revealed to the world over the past few months I agree that the difference as to why PSU players are rarely convicted is very apparent.

...well apparent to everyone with more than two functioning brain cells to rub together...which of course excludes the Sawney Beane's up in Happy Valley.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

46 years since this job has come open... Reply
...and people think no one is interested? What if it was a seat on an exchange? Or a key piece of property in a development plan? Or a Palm Beach widow?

Anything that hasn't been available for 46 years is going to garner plenty of attention and only the most ambitious of the ambitious.

Regardless of current events, this fact alone puts Penn State in the drivers seat in this hire.

If it's Schiano, I am going to go out and shoot somebody - probably Schiano.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

If you're talking about the thread on BWI..I stopped by yesterday and got a laugh from this post...(in response to a supposed Buckeye poster who pointed out that more Penn State than Ohio State players have been arrested over the past whatever time frame):

As the competence of the Penn State PD has been revealed to the world over the past few months I agree that the difference as to why PSU players are rarely convicted is very apparent.

...well apparent to everyone with more than two functioning brain cells to rub together...which of course excludes the Sawney Beane's up in Happy Valley.

Agreed. Given the details of how that community and university operated and how everything was geared towards protecting "The Legacy" it's little wonder that all of his players were miraculously acquitted of all charges.