Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

[ORD_Buckeye]

I'd give them a little more credit. The '69 team that was undefeated played a harder schedule than anything Boise has faced (and only 5 home games!) and was probably even comparable to any of the other major schools back then. [Mark May], I think I even rooted for them against Mizzou (well...after what happened that year--[censored]).

Two good teams (WVU and Colorado), a 5-4 BC team, 2 .500 teams and 4 teams with losing records. That team gets plunger raped by Texas, Arkansas or Ohio State!

Navy 1-9-0
Colorado 8-3-0
Kansas State 5-5-0
WVU 10-1
Syracuse 5-5-0
OhioU 0-10-0
Boston College 5-4-0
Maryland 3-7-0
Pitt 4-6-0
NC State 3-6-1

And then after consensus #1 throughout the season Ohio State craps the bed against Michigan, JoePed is given the chance to have a 1 vs 2 matchup against Texas in the Cotton Bowl and turns it down to go to Miami and play Missouri.

 

[Mike80]

Not to discount the outrageous level of the offenses committed, by Sandusky and those who covered up his crimes, but I think the most damage is being done by Penn State fans. Every time that they protest at the unfairness of the current situation and overlook all this, every time that they treat visiting fans the way that they do, they give the impression of a localized culture that few people would want to be part of.

Agreed completely. But I have to say it's more than just your basic Ped State fans - that entire part of the state is that way. I think it comes with the inbreeding.

Paterno was, in my opinion, an over-rated legend. Had he stepped down even ten years ago, then I suspect he would have been seen that way in hingsight. Perhaps the reason that he stayed around was fear that all of this would come out. Whatever, I think it will take Penn State more than a decade to recover from this, if at all.

I can't agree with your reasoning here however. Paterno held on too long because Paterno is a control freak and an egomaniac. I don't think he thought anything more about this issue after McQueary brought it up to him and no one followed it up. I think the echo chamber telling him how great he is was loud enough that he was able to put this stuff out of mind. Yes that is absolutely horrific in every way, but I think this is closer to what occurred.

The very fact this man who is held and holds himself up as a beacon of morality did not go to the civil authorities over this issue is sickening.

 

[ExpatAkronite]

Two good teams (WVU and Colorado), a 5-4 BC team, 2 .500 teams and 4 teams with losing records. That team gets plunger raped by Texas, Arkansas or Ohio State!

Navy 1-9-0
Colorado 8-3-0
Kansas State 5-5-0
WVU 10-1
Syracuse 5-5-0
OhioU 0-10-0
Boston College 5-4-0
Maryland 3-7-0
Pitt 4-6-0
NC State 3-6-1

And then after consensus #1 throughout the season Ohio State craps the bed against Michigan, JoePed is given the chance to have a 1 vs 2 matchup against Texas in the Cotton Bowl and turns it down to go to Miami and play Missouri.

Well, I was trying to make the point that the Boise comparison didn't work (excluding bowls they've never played 2 good teams in a season). And I really went out of my way to avoid detailiing what happened that year--you know, childhood is rough enough. I'm with you that they didn't deserve a NC. Ultimately, the conference has benefited from PSU--and who's going to fill that role?

As an aside--and just because I had the page open--the Gators played three games outside the state of Fla in '69....what, they couldn't afford airfare?

 

[Mike80]

Two good teams (WVU and Colorado), a 5-4 BC team, 2 .500 teams and 4 teams with losing records. That team gets plunger raped by Texas, Arkansas or Ohio State!

Navy 1-9-0
Colorado 8-3-0
Kansas State 5-5-0
WVU 10-1
Syracuse 5-5-0
OhioU 0-10-0
Boston College 5-4-0
Maryland 3-7-0
Pitt 4-6-0
NC State 3-6-1

And then after consensus #1 throughout the season Ohio State craps the bed against Michigan, JoePed is given the chance to have a 1 vs 2 matchup against Texas in the Cotton Bowl and turns it down to go to Miami and play Missouri.

I don't think that team would have been plunger-raped. That was back when Paterno actually coached his team and took part in the game planning and didn't have his incompetent son on his staff. They may not have won, but there wouldn't have been a jail video either.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I don't think that team would have been plunger-raped. That was back when Paterno actually coached his team and took part in the game planning and didn't have his incompetent son on his staff. They may not have won, but there wouldn't have been a jail video either.

Perhaps but impossible to really know. JoePed could have proven it on the field by taking a shot against Texas. He chose to run and hide. That alone--at least in my book--bars any claim to the Ped Aggys being co-champs that year.

 

[Muck]

I'm saying this with a 5 year from now point of view so just assume the stigma of the Pedo stuff has died down to an acceptable level......PSU has the framework to be a perennial top 10 program imo. Natural recruiting base, facilities, money, fanbase, tradition, good school.

You are forgetting one very important ingredient...leadership.

Do you see anyone currently connected with the school with that quality? Because if there isn't we're going to be looking at a couple of decades of revolving 3 & done coaching staffs.

 

[Jaxbuck]

You are forgetting one very important ingredient...leadership.

Do you see anyone currently connected with the school with that quality? Because if there isn't we're going to be looking at a couple of decades of revolving 3 & done coaching staffs.

I'm not forgetting it, that was my whole point. "IF the right guy gets the job" in my mind means a home run HC/leader hire...their Tressel, their Meyer.

If they get a guy in charge of that caliber (huge if) the frame work is there for success.

Now everyone is going to have to excuse me for a while while I go through a decontamination protocol to wash the stench of saying anything remotely complimentary about that place off my person.

 

[Muck]

I'm not forgetting it, that was my whole point. "IF the right guy gets the job" in my mind means a home run HC/leader hire...their Tressel, their Meyer.

I believe you're missing my point. I'm talking about the guys who do the hiring.

They aren't going to find their (insert program savior name here) if they don't have capable leaders at the school who are able to identify said savior & convince him to join the program.

Do you feel their board of trustees is competent to order lunch...let alone implement the kinds of broad, sweeping changes that are necessary for the school to drag itself out of the hole it currently finds itself dug into?

 

[ExpatAkronite]

Well the obvious solution is to bring in a Mormon (kind of makes sense....I guess....somehow). Hearing reports out here that they've met with Chris Petersen twice. Of course so has everyone else looking for a coach. In some kind of really strange way this could be like the planets aligning (although for good or evil or just pure entertainment value is kind of up in the air) and....being new here I'm just kind of going to leave it at that.

 

[Buckeye513]

Chris Petersen would be an idiot to go to Penn State no matter how much Kellen Moore's backup sucks. Might as well have taken the UCLA job, recruited against a USC team with scholarship reductions, and ran all that that gimmicky shit that would actually work in that conference.

 

[buckeyesin07]

Chris Petersen would be an idiot to go to Penn State no matter how much Kellen Moore's backup sucks. Might as well have taken the UCLA job, recruited against a USC team with scholarship reductions, and ran all that that gimmicky [Mark May] that would actually work in that conference.

Agreed. No way would Peterson go to PSU when there are plenty of other non-train wreck jobs available.

 

[Mike80]

Perhaps but impossible to really know. JoePed could have proven it on the field by taking a shot against Texas. He chose to run and hide. That alone--at least in my book--bars any claim to the Ped Aggys being co-champs that year.

I prefer to look at it this way - short of a clearly superior and undefeated team, any split national championships are therefore suspect.

 

[ExpatAkronite]

Agreed. No way would Peterson go to PSU when there are plenty of other non-train wreck jobs available.

No way would he have ever gone to LA. Eugene probably freaked the [Mark May] out of him. He's a small town guy (well, a small town without the hippies). Just the possibility of him going to Happy Valley is kind of priceless.

And, while I'm probably walking a fine line here, the Mormons recently built their first temple in PA (Philly). Hmmm.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Let's stay on topic Cinci - we're talking about Ped State fans making delusional unsupported claims.

Quite frankly, the SEC view was that Ped State feasted upon the Temples and Rutgers of the world, with a game or two to get up for before a bowl invite due to the won loss record. We thought that getting in an actual power conference would eliminate their NC dreams, and that has come to pass. On one hand, if you can make successful football powers out of the previously doormat-esque Oregon, Okie State and Kansas State, then the right coach and combination of players (coupled with a rich alumni base or a Zillionaire alum) can drive anyone to the top for a while.

I won't write them off, but I'd bet on the ten years to never play.

You're still Gator Swine, but you SEC folks can spot a truck driving football school just like the rest of us.

 

[matcar]

You're still Gator Swine, but you SEC folks can spot a truck driving football school just like the rest of us.

The state of PA has a [Mark May] ton more talent than most other states and State Penn could get the lion's share of it sometime soon. comparing PSU to BSU isn't real. Now I like making fun of these fellas as much as the next guy, but ignoring the high school talent available on PA as compared to most states is disingenuous.