Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

[AKAK]

I know these things (especially recruiting) have fallen on hard times but I still say the right guy (say an Urban Meyer) could go in there, turn it around and make a monster.

Yeah, ok, so what the fuck are they supposed to do, now?

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Yeah, ok, so what the fuck are they supposed to do, now?

Pluck Terry Bowden away from Akron.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Yeah, ok, so what the fuck are they supposed to do, now?

 

[cincibuck]

Not sure I agree with that, Cinci.

Ped State was in trouble with the consequences of JoPa's staying too long in the first place, in my IMO. That is - Ped State football, prior to JoPa, was middling to good, but it wasn't consistently great. If you look at the pre-Paterno records, I don't see "traditional power" in those numbers. Ped State

Ped State is in the middle of nowhere. I think Kansas State with more trees.

Ped State is... well... Ped State. Who the hell wants to send their kid there now? Who wants to step into the facility where young boys were being raped by a long time coach? There is no doubt Ped State will continue to field a football team, but I have to think the "Ped State" stigma is going to keep a lot of kids from even considering that place now.

Ped State may be one of the 3 or 4 premier coaching jobs as you suggest - in the long term. But, not right now. It's hard enough to replace a "legend" It's even harder to do so in light of the goings on there. I have a hard time believing a top tier coach wants anything to do with that mess right now. I expect they'll hire some "also ran" up and comer kind of coach. That coach will fail to deliver and end up fired. And.. it'll maybe be the next guy who gets the football program going again. Maybe.

I dont know, Cinci - I could be wrong, but it seems to me that Ped Aggy has a long road in front of them.

I agree in terms of NOW, Sorry I didn't make that clear. But in the long run -- say three years of an interim coach, they'll have what they need to be a tier one program.

While their fans may be pissy, Penn State is still very important to the Big 10. They have a strong following in the Pittsburgh, Philly and DC media markets and that puts the Big 10 and Ohio State into those markets.

Frankly, I believe that the combination of Sandusky and Tattoogate hurts the entire Big 10, not just Ohio State and Penn State and it's not going to help when USC re-emerges as the Pac 10 champ, Oregon skates and ESPN pays off whatever sins are committed in Tuscaloosa, Auburn and Baton Rouge.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Not to discount the outrageous level of the offenses committed, by Sandusky and those who covered up his crimes, but I think the most damage is being done by Penn State fans. Every time that they protest at the unfairness of the current situation and overlook all this, every time that they treat visiting fans the way that they do, they give the impression of a localized culture that few people would want to be part of.

Paterno was, in my opinion, an over-rated legend. Had he stepped down even ten years ago, then I suspect he would have been seen that way in hingsight. Perhaps the reason that he stayed around was fear that all of this would come out. Whatever, I think it will take Penn State more than a decade to recover from this, if at all.

When JoePa took over through the mid 70s, Penn State was the Boise of its time. A few undefeated seasons where they dodged playing anyone of consequence (Texas in the Cotton Bowl), then JoePa would get on his soapbox and unilaterally declare his team national champion and buy them rings.

In the late 70s and 80s they became a legitimate contender but still gamed the system regarding scheduling and home ref crews (parents of a Paterno player actually made the two wrong calls against Nebraska and Alabama that gave PSU their 86 title). They won two titles and entered the Big Ten with delusions of dominance but sunk back to a middle of the pack program.

The only thing really different than when Paterno took over is they've erector setted that stadium up to 100K and they have a "perception" as a national power. As long as they stay in the Big Ten, however, they can never go back to the recipe that created that illusion in the first place.

I could see them becoming an Illinois type program. One that, despite winning the odd Big Ten title every decade, is always better on paper than on the field.

 

[sepia5]

I could see them becoming an Illinois type program.

So you think they're going to be very Miami-esque?

 

[Tlangs]

And their DL is working out at the WHAC.

GPA

 

[BUCKYLE]

Brady Hoke?

 

[Zander42]

When JoePa took over through the mid 70s, Penn State was the Boise of its time. A few undefeated seasons where they dodged playing anyone of consequence (Texas in the Cotton Bowl), then JoePa would get on his soapbox and unilaterally declare his team national champion and buy them rings.

Funny, I said almost this exact thing to my wife when we were talking about PSU's history.

Regarding how long it will take them to "return" at least to where hey have been for the last few years, in 5 years this years recruiting class and the next two to three years classes will be the bread and butter of their team. These recruiting class will likely be MAC level or worse. IMO, the 2016 Penn state team might be lucky to win three games.

I would say by that time, they will be able to START the journey back to competitiveness.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I just don't think the Pedsters fathom what an albatross this will be for recruiting. These are kids and when they come back from their Ped Aggy visits and their boys start ragging on them about "how were the showers? "did you meet coach Sandusky?" it's going to have an effect.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I just don't think the Pedsters fathom what an albatross this will be for recruiting. These are kids and when they come back from their Ped Aggy visits and their boys start ragging on them about "how were the showers? "did you meet coach Sandusky?" it's going to have an effect.

Not as much as if they did see the showers and meet Sandusky.

 

[NFBuck]

I just don't think the Pedsters fathom what an albatross this will be for recruiting. These are kids and when they come back from their Ped Aggy visits and their boys start ragging on them about "how were the showers? "did you meet coach Sandusky?" it's going to have an effect.

They're not thinking that far ahead. They're too busy trying to convince themselves that Chip Kelly, Mark Richt, and Mike Munchak are fighting over their vacant head coaching job.

 

[ExpatAkronite]

When JoePa took over through the mid 70s, Penn State was the Boise of its time. A few undefeated seasons where they dodged playing anyone of consequence (Texas in the Cotton Bowl), then JoePa would get on his soapbox and unilaterally declare his team national champion and buy them rings.

In the late 70s and 80s they became a legitimate contender but still gamed the system regarding scheduling and home ref crews (parents of a Paterno player actually made the two wrong calls against Nebraska and Alabama that gave PSU their 86 title). They won two titles and entered the Big Ten with delusions of dominance but sunk back to a middle of the pack program.

The only thing really different than when Paterno took over is they've erector setted that stadium up to 100K and they have a "perception" as a national power. As long as they stay in the Big Ten, however, they can never go back to the recipe that created that illusion in the first place.

I could see them becoming an Illinois type program. One that, despite winning the odd Big Ten title every decade, is always better on paper than on the field.

I'd give them a little more credit. The '69 team that was undefeated played a harder schedule than anything Boise has faced (and only 5 home games!) and was probably even comparable to any of the other major schools back then. [Mark May], I think I even rooted for them against Mizzou (well...after what happened that year--[censored]).

 

[Gatorubet]

I agree in terms of NOW, Sorry I didn't make that clear. But in the long run -- say three years of an interim coach, they'll have what they need to be a tier one program.

While their fans may be [censored]y, Penn State is still very important to the Big 10. They have a strong following in the Pittsburgh, Philly and DC media markets and that puts the Big 10 and Ohio State into those markets.

Frankly, I believe that the combination of Sandusky and Tattoogate hurts the entire Big 10, not just Ohio State and Penn State and it's not going to help when USC re-emerges as the Pac 10 champ, Oregon skates and ESPN pays off whatever sins are committed in Tuscaloosa, Auburn and Baton Rouge.

Let's stay on topic Cinci - we're talking about Ped State fans making delusional unsupported claims.

Quite frankly, the SEC view was that Ped State feasted upon the Temples and Rutgers of the world, with a game or two to get up for before a bowl invite due to the won loss record. We thought that getting in an actual power conference would eliminate their NC dreams, and that has come to pass. On one hand, if you can make successful football powers out of the previously doormat-esque Oregon, Okie State and Kansas State, then the right coach and combination of players (coupled with a rich alumni base or a Zillionaire alum) can drive anyone to the top for a while.

I won't write them off, but I'd bet on the ten years to never play.

 

[Buckeye513]

They're not thinking that far ahead. They're too busy trying to convince themselves that Chip Kelly, Mark Richt, and Mike Munchak are fighting over their vacant head coaching job.

Were Jim Harbaugh and Bill Belichick too volatile for their tastes?