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Game Thread Ohio State vs Oklahoma, 09/09/17 @ 7:30 ET (ABC)

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Clarity said:
The VaTech parallels that some have mentioned are intriguing. We needed that loss to be a solid team, the Pollyanna in me will hope this loss causes a similar spark.
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What are the chances we have another Michael Thomas, Joey Bosa or Zeke Elliot this time though? That team had so many GREAT NFL players.

I'd love for that to happen again, but I'm skeptical.
 
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Jake said:
God, NFB I get it. But who do we have on the bench who is better? You and the fan boys liking your post need to answer that, then ask yourself WTF it would do to keep Oklahoma to something less than 490 yards of offense?

Is JT flawed? FUCK YEAH! I'm not oblivious to that. But I'm also not going to lazily throw this debacle all on his back. Defense sucked. Receivers did nothing. It's easy to say put in the next QB, but there's no reason to assume he's better and the other problems go away if he comes in.

Wanna replace JT, have at it. Just don't be surprised if the other problems still persist, and maybe - just maybe - you end up with a few more ones.
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Oh, I don't know going with someone who ACTUALLY has something to build upon, not just this season, but for seasons to come. Haskins comes to mind, Burrow when he comes back healthy, hell even putting Martell out there as a running threat. There are players waiting for their opportunity. They will never get it being blindly loyal to a player who hasn't made the improvements necessary to deserve the starting job.
 
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NFBuck said:
God, Jake, we get it. I'm certainly not putting this all on JT. The pass defense stunk, too. But here's the thing, we have a totally overhauled secondary, and Baker Mayfield is one of the best players in the country. It's not unreasonable to expect our pass defense to struggle given those facts. On the other hand, nobody considers OU to be an elite defense. JT has been TERRIBLE tonight. And in a number of other games. This ain't a one-off. Yes, there are WR issues, yes the right side of the OL isn't good. But the things he CAN control, like hitting open receivers, the timing on his releases, he's failed miserably.

Obviously we're not gonna change each others minds here. I've been in the same boat your are right now with JT for two years, I WANTED him to prove everybody wrong, but I can't do it anymore after tonight. I look at JT and I see a broken qb who is in his fifth year. There's no fixing that, and if that's the case, you have two other, much younger, qbs who were well regarded recruits and got great reviews this spring/summer. Stop clinging to 2014 and start looking to the future.
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Agree with all of this
 
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Jake said:
God, NFB I get it. But who do we have on the bench who is better? You and the fan boys liking your post need to answer that, then ask yourself WTF it would do to keep Oklahoma to something less than 490 yards of offense?

Is JT flawed? FUCK YEAH! I'm not oblivious to that. But I'm also not going to lazily throw this debacle all on his back. Defense sucked. Receivers did nothing. It's easy to say put in the next QB, but there's no reason to assume he's better and the other problems go away if he comes in.

Wanna replace JT, have at it. Just don't be surprised if the other problems still persist, and maybe - just maybe - you end up with a few more ones.
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It's the Butterfly effect, pure and simple - QB who can complete pass beyond 10 yards => more offensive TOP => less defensive time on field => better play on both sides of the ball. We've all been harping on it but there's only 1 way to test it... and at this point, it can't really hurt to try
 
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When I saw Lagow was pulled in Indiana's game today because he couldn't complete a pass, and recalled that he looked like Johnny Unitas last week, I thought it would be a shoot out.

This isn't all on JT Barrett but, if anyone thinks he's fixed and will carry this team in tough times, tonight should have provided evidence to reconsider.

This can still be a good year but Penn State and TSUN loom large on the horizon.
 
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