Official Cleveland Browns Draft Thread

[OH10]

Troy Smith is not a quarterback you build a team around. He's a great player. Probably my favorite quarterback I've seen in my young life, but you can't pin the future of your franchise on a third round quarterback and a fifth round quarterback. People point to Tom Brady as being an example, but he isn't an example, he's the exception. Do you think New England drafted him thinking, "we're going to build around him and let him carry the weight of this franchise", or do you think they wanted him to be a back-up? If we had an established quarterback already, I'd be all for taking Troy to be a backup his first few years and maybe develop into a starter, but we don't have that luxury. We need a quarterback that is capable of starting this year or next year. Quinn was the best bet in the draft to fill that need.

Huh? Why do you have to look at it through the "fifth round vs. first round" quarterback? Why can't I just look at Troy Smith and Brady Quinn?

Settling would've been banking on one of the QBs next year being good enough to take high and hope they can turn us around.

Settling vs. Gambling? Gambling is trading a way a high draft pick hoping Brady Quinn can turn us around - which, if I'm not mistaken, wasn't the prevalent opinion on this board 72 hours ago.

And I hope you're not insinuating that simply because Quinn played in a pro offense against Air Force and Army that somehow he's ready to run the same offense against the Steelers. It's not the playbook that gets rookie quarterbacks. It's the speed of the defense.

 

[Mike80]

I guess I don't understand why some here would rather build around a QB instead of building around the offensive and defensive lines and running game?

Maybe it's just me, but that's a formula that the "new" Browns haven't exactly tried yet.

 

[Bleed S & G]

Trent Green?

I am no lover of Brady, but I think they made a good choice to go get him at 22. I would have been pissed if they took him at 3, but at 22, I think it was a good pick. I am not going to crucify the guy before he even takes a snap.

They needed to be aggressive in this draft and improve the team for this year and the near future and I think they have done that. I am excited for the upcoming season, something I was not as much after last years draft or any previous season other than 1999 (just for the simple fact of having football back in Cleveland).

Read my post, 'a trent green' & 'someone who knows what they are doing' ie. a veteran, so not JUST trent green.

Im not crucifing (sp?) the guy, dont know how many times i can say he hasn't done anything to impress me or make me feel 'hey browns, good job!' im thinking the ravens are laughing their asses off. because a qb slips all the way to 22 dosen't tell me good pick, it tells me 20 other teams have good GMs and saw what i saw in Brady. Miami being a good example.. they had a need for him and STILL passed. Time will tell with brady, i'll be rooting for him as i said but disagree with the pick.

I agree with your last paragraph.

 

[tsteele316]

I guess I don't understand why some here would rather build around a QB instead of building around the offensive and defensive lines and running game?

Maybe it's just me, but that's a formula that the "new" Browns haven't exactly tried yet.

I would tend to think that drafting a LT at #3 and signing the top OG in FA is building the offensive line.

 

[Mike80]

I would tend to think that drafting a LT at #3 and signing the top OG in FA is building the offensive line.

True....and we'll see how that works out. Unfortunately I think I run faster than Jamal Lewis at this point....

But I'm still of the opinion the Browns shouldn't be trading away 1st rounders when they have that many holes.

It's been proven that the Ravens weren't offering anything near what the Browns did.

 

[billmac91]

I guess we just disagree. I would take Quinn over Russel this year, and the only prospect next year that looks better IMO is Brohm. If we were going to take a quarterback either this year or next year, then this was probably the best scenario that could have played out.

I also don't see how we're settling for Quinn. I mean, we WANTED Quinn which is why we moved up. Settling would've been taking him third. Settling would've been taking Beck or Stanton in the second(which would've been a horrendous decision IMO). Settling would've been banking on one of the QBs next year being good enough to take high and hope they can turn us around.

I guess one of my biggest issues w/ the draft is how GM's fall in love w/ certain players even if they haven't really proved anything......Can anyone here say they thought JaMarcus Russel was worth a first rounder at the beginning of this year...I mean the guy had to win a QB battle against Matt Flynn last spring to even retain his job.....and one great game against a crappy D and hes the first pick overall

Look at BQ's #'s against good teams...they're miserable...not even average..just miserable....yet he beomes the second rated QB b/c of his size and personality......Troy drops to a fifth rounder b/c of size and one NC game.....You can't even begin to compare Troy's and Brady's numbers against good teams.....I understand all of that doesn't equate to Pro-potential but how does JaMarcus Russel and Brady Quinn earn all of that hype? I don't know for sure, but the media absultely ate up JaMarcus after one win against a crappy D, and he had some of the best receivers in the NCAA, and I guess Brady is just a golden boy who has played under Charlie Weiss....the offensive mastermind and architect of 3 Super Bowl wins

When we look back at this draft in 4-5 years I really believe theres going to be a lot of head-scratching going on

 

[NFBuck]

Obviously Brady Quinn is going to be a polarizing subject until the results come in. Like I said earlier, I wasn't crazy about the decision, but will withhold judgement until at least some returns are in. If nothing else, it has me more excited about a season than I've been in years...probably since the Bernie Kosar years. Love him or hate him, he's a Brown now, and the future of the franchise rests on his shoulders.

 

[Buckin' A]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...raft/index.html

Great read from Peter King. Very long, but it talks about exactly what happened leading up to and after the Quinn deal.

 

[OCBucksFan]

Agreed, good post. He is now a Cleveland Brown and no longer a Domer. That right there is good enough for me. Welcome to the Dawg Pound Brady. GO BROWNIES!

Saying he's no longer a Domer is not true, he'll always be a Domer, he went to the University of Notre Dame. That's not saying you shouldn't support him, he may well be your franchise quarterback, so that I understand.

 

[stowfan]

Quinn has a ton of the ND passing records. I hate ND as much as anyone
but the kid deserves some credit. We tried like crazy to recruit him.

A few years ago we played ND in the Fiesta Bowl. If Troy instead of Quinn was the QB for ND that game do you think ND would win? Give Quinn the OSU line, recievers, and running game, I think he would do all right.

 

[CookyPuss]

How the deal went down, per Peter King for those interested.

SI

NM, Buckin' A beat me to it.

 

[Buckin' A]

How the deal went down, per Peter King for those interested.

SI

3 posts above my friend...

 

[Buckin' A]

http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dog_Pound/index.php?showtopic=24202

Brent Pousson signs free agent contract with Cleveland Browns

Browns will try him at right offensive tackle


April 29, 2007

McNeese State all-conference and all-Louisiana offensive lineman Brent Pousson has signed a free agent contract with the Cleveland Browns.

A native of Iota and a three year starter for the Cowboys, Pousson said Sunday that Cleveland was the best fit for him.

"It offers the best situation for me to make the team," he said, noting that Cleveland would try him at right offensive tackle.

"This is a great opportunity for me to keep playing."

He said that he was told by Cleveland officials that he would be the only free agent offensive lineman they would sign.

The 6-4, 305 pounder played this past season as a graduate student and is pursuing a master degree in agriculture-business. He played on two Southland Conference championship teams with the Cowboys and was the team's top scholar athlete.

He's the lastest Cowboy to sign a free agent contract with the NFL. Two seasons ago B. J. Sams signed as a free agent with Baltimore and has gone on to become a standout kick returner and wide receiver for the Ravens.

 

[CookyPuss]

Yes that Trent Green, he could be brain dead and still throw a better ball and hold up under pressure better than BQ. Heres the thing - BQ is totally unproven against good teams. He's a over-hyped golden boy. Hopefully he will be a stud and turn the franchise around - but i dont see it. and saying no QB next year will be as good is just stupid IMO before they even play a game of the 2007-2008 college season. and even if that is the case, i still feel brady isn't that good of a QB and i dont feel like settling for a run of the mill QB. Before he was a Brown i felt that a BQ is available every year, and just because he's wearing orange and brown it dosen't change my mind. maybe he'll be what we need and we can be good but i would rather have a brohm or booty next year, even without seeing them play a game next year over what i have seen of quinn. hope he proves me wrong.

Go back and look at his stat lines the last couple of years. He's had a couple of bad games (scUM, LSU), but some very good ones too (and not just against Navy). His play didn't lose the Fiesta to tOSU and didn't lose those last 2 games to USC. He did his job, the rest of his team sucked.

 

[LitlBuck]

But I'm still of the opinion the Browns shouldn't be trading away 1st rounders when they have that many holes.
B.

If you are a "old" Browns fan or just a Browns fan you never know when the Good Lord is going to take you so the Future is Now.


I think the only thing that the Browns are missing to make them competitive is another running back. However, they are pretty easy to find in FA or working at some store like Willie Parker was last year when the Steelers gave him a call.