Official Cleveland Browns Draft Thread

[Bleed S & G]

no longer a Domer

umm so Eddie George is no longer a buckeye? Troy Smith is now a raven and not a buckeye? hmm once a buckeye always a buckeye & nothing against brady in this sense but once a domer, always a domer.

Dont understand the beef with him...

my beef with him is he may have put up big numbers, but i could have done the same against army. i just thought he always folded under pressure, where say a troy smith excelled.

ND doesn't matter! Go Browns!

So ignore his college career? The quote you're responding to said "he didn't do shit at ND" and he didn't. nothing to do with him being a domer, he didn't do anything in college that stood out to me, except almost beating USC one year. he's been a choke artist the last few years and i can't just change my tune because he's wearing an orange helmet. i'll support him a root for him (gag) but he hasn't shown me near anything troy did.

As far as Brady Quinn goes, if you hate this guy from the get-go, you are just close-minded.

Who said anyone hates him, his career against real teams left much to be desired for me personally

 

[Napoleonbuck]

And there Troy Smith was for the taking....


.... in the Fifth Round.

Troy Smith is not a quarterback you build a team around. He's a great player. Probably my favorite quarterback I've seen in my young life, but you can't pin the future of your franchise on a third round quarterback and a fifth round quarterback. People point to Tom Brady as being an example, but he isn't an example, he's the exception. Do you think New England drafted him thinking, "we're going to build around him and let him carry the weight of this franchise", or do you think they wanted him to be a back-up? If we had an established quarterback already, I'd be all for taking Troy to be a backup his first few years and maybe develop into a starter, but we don't have that luxury. We need a quarterback that is capable of starting this year or next year. Quinn was the best bet in the draft to fill that need.

 

[Bleed S & G]

Quinn was the best bet in the draft to fill that need.

Why?

 

[Napoleonbuck]

He has experience with an NFL style system, he can make the throws necessary in the NFL, and he has good size.

Troy wouldn't be familiar with an NFL system, so the learning curve would be a lot steeper(same thing with Russel).

What QBs do you think would step in help right away better than Quinn could?

 

[Bleed S & G]

He has experience with an NFL style system, he can make the throws necessary in the NFL, and he has good size.

Troy wouldn't be familiar with an NFL system, so the learning curve would be a lot steeper(same thing with Russel).

What QBs do you think would step in help right away better than Quinn could?

Well first off, I don't think the Browns need some average QB.. would have preferred to try and grab say a trent green or someone that knows what they are doing.

Experience with an nfl system, i'll give you.. but throws necassary? all these QBs in the draft can, and quinns accuracy and deep ball leave much to be desired, i do think Troy has a stronger and more accurate ball. Size, ok.. so does ken dorsey. brees is 6 foot.

time will tell, but i dont think quinn is the answer.. i hope im wrong.

 

[Napoleonbuck]

Well first off, I don't think the Browns need some average QB.. would have preferred to try and grab say a trent green or someone that knows what they are doing.

Experience with an nfl system, i'll give you.. but throws necassary? all these QBs in the draft can, and quinns accuracy and deep ball leave much to be desired, i do think Troy has a stronger and more accurate ball. Size, ok.. so does ken dorsey. brees is 6 foot.

time will tell, but i dont think quinn is the answer.. i hope im wrong.

You mean the 37 year old Trent Green that is coming off a horrendous concussion?

What QB in this draft or next year's draft would be better? Brohm maybe(I don't see any qualities that would make me say he's definitely better than Quinn though).

 

[Cornerback6]

he has good size.

Not the size thing again. I think Troy did fine behind 6'8" Boone, 6'8" Rehring, 6'5" Datish, 6'4" Downing & 6'6" Barton. Give or take an inch. Unless the NFL O-Lines are starting at 7 feet, I don't think it truly matters. If they see something in his arm, big game performances, or intelligence level (ability to learn an O), then I could see the justification.

I hope Brady proves me wrong, but still...

People get too obsessed with measurables and combines and what not and then ignore the body of the athlete's entire career. Don't you think maybe the Texans learned this the hard way after taking Mario Williams and passing on Reggie Bush?


Am I missing something?

 

[JCOSU86]

Yes, Quinn is still a Domer. But I think that this part of his life (and Troy's and every other former collegiate player) has gone from "public" ie representing your school on the field to "private" ie giving money to your alma mater, attending functions, rooting them on. We as fans can't have a hard-on about who went where, there is no point. Bernie is from fucking Cryami for cryin' out loud.

I'm excited about the the Browns' draft, I think (hope?) it translates to success on the field.

 

[billmac91]

I'm so disappointed in our draft.....I really can't believe we gave up next years first rounde to pin our hopes w/ Brady Quinn.....I hope he proves me wrong, but I don't think he's any better than Charlie, and I def don't think hes better than Stanton and maybe even Troy who we could have gotten in the fifth w/o giving up next years draft

So many people are happy now, but I feel like going into next years draft a lot of people are going to be second guessing this move......is he the next Tim Couch? I don't know, but he def isn't going to be the next Peyton as some seem to believe......And Joe Thomas was a reach at 3 IMO, although at the time I was so excited b/c we hadn't taken Quinn

I'm bummed.....we're gonna have a top 10 pick next year that belongs to Dallas, an average QB, and we'll prob be looking at QB options again in 5 years....It's like an awful cycle

 

[Crashcup]

I for one hope that these guys pretty much work out. The revolving door with the coaches and GM's is what has put us here since Forest Gregg. We'll be looking at another 5 years of the Brown's bloppers.

Continuity is the only thing that will save them. Just go through the list of coaches since BC. They can't ALL be morons.

 

[Bleed S & G]

You mean the 37 year old Trent Green that is coming off a horrendous concussion?

What QB in this draft or next year's draft would be better? Brohm maybe(I don't see any qualities that would make me say he's definitely better than Quinn though).

Yes that Trent Green, he could be brain dead and still throw a better ball and hold up under pressure better than BQ. Heres the thing - BQ is totally unproven against good teams. He's a over-hyped golden boy. Hopefully he will be a stud and turn the franchise around - but i dont see it. and saying no QB next year will be as good is just stupid IMO before they even play a game of the 2007-2008 college season. and even if that is the case, i still feel brady isn't that good of a QB and i dont feel like settling for a run of the mill QB. Before he was a Brown i felt that a BQ is available every year, and just because he's wearing orange and brown it dosen't change my mind. maybe he'll be what we need and we can be good but i would rather have a brohm or booty next year, even without seeing them play a game next year over what i have seen of quinn. hope he proves me wrong.

 

[JCOSU86]

I'm so disappointed in our draft.....I really can't believe we gave up next years first rounde to pin our hopes w/ Brady Quinn.....I hope he proves me wrong, but I don't think he's any better than Charlie, and I def don't think hes better than Stanton and maybe even Troy who we could have gotten in the fifth w/o giving up next years draft

So many people are happy now, but I feel like going into next years draft a lot of people are going to be second guessing this move......is he the next Tim Couch? I don't know, but he def isn't going to be the next Peyton as some seem to believe......And Joe Thomas was a reach at 3 IMO, although at the time I was so excited b/c we hadn't taken Quinn

I'm bummed.....we're gonna have a top 10 pick next year that belongs to Dallas, an average QB, and we'll prob be looking at QB options again in 5 years....It's like an awful cycle

Every potential pick at #3 could be critiqued like that. Peterson was injury-prone (for example). The Browns have done everything they could. For example, their O-line has blown monkey balls for years. So what do they do? They go out and in two years sign 4 of the top FA linemen and then draft the best olineman with #3. What more could they do? If it doesn't work out, oh well.

 

[NFBuck]

I did not like drafting Quinn at #3, at 22 I can live with it. Initially, I hated the trade, but after a good nights sleep, I came to terms with it. Yes we gave up a lot, but I'm gonna withhold judgement until he at least takes some friggin' snaps. He gets some extra points from me because he actually wants to play for the Browns...really wants to play for the Browns. Of all the criticisms rained down on him, being lazy isn't one of them. The additional motivation to succeed after falling that far can't hurt either. Getting Joe Thomas to block for him helps too.

He no longer wears a gold helmet, he wears an orange one. I didn't like him in college because he played for ND. But now he plays for the Browns, so I sure as hell hope he succeeds. He's not a sour-puss WR that cant' catch a friggin' pass, he's not a loudmouth TE that crashes his motorcycle into a curb, he's by all accounts a good smart kid who will work his ass off.

 

[Big Papa]

Well first off, I don't think the Browns need some average QB.. would have preferred to try and grab say a trent green or someone that knows what they are doing.

Experience with an nfl system, i'll give you.. but throws necassary? all these QBs in the draft can, and quinns accuracy and deep ball leave much to be desired, i do think Troy has a stronger and more accurate ball. Size, ok.. so does ken dorsey. brees is 6 foot.

time will tell, but i dont think quinn is the answer.. i hope im wrong.

Trent Green? He is not an answer, he is would be a band-aid and he is a guy coming of a severe concussion that he never really fully recovered from. He is 37 years old for god sake. Would you give a #2 Rd pick to get him, because that is what KC was asking for initially and Green made it clear he only wanted to go to Miami. So maybe they should have tried to get Manning from Indy, that was about as doable.

I am no lover of Brady, but I think they made a good choice to go get him at 22. I would have been pissed if they took him at 3, but at 22, I think it was a good pick. I am not going to crucify the guy before he even takes a snap. I didn't do that to Braylon and he is a scUMmer with a history of dropping balls and lack of speed when we was drafted #3 overall by the Browns. He may turn out to be a total turd, and if that happens we'll all agree in hindsight, this was a bad trade. But Savage or any other GM does not have that luxury. They needed to be aggressive in this draft and improve the team for this year and the near future and I think they have done that. I am excited for the upcoming season, something I was not as much after last years draft or any previous season other than 1999 (just for the simple fact of having football back in Cleveland).

 

[Napoleonbuck]

Yes that Trent Green, he could be brain dead and still throw a better ball and hold up under pressure better than BQ. Heres the thing - BQ is totally unproven against good teams. He's a over-hyped golden boy. Hopefully he will be a stud and turn the franchise around - but i dont see it. and saying no QB next year will be as good is just stupid IMO before they even play a game of the 2007-2008 college season. and even if that is the case, i still feel brady isn't that good of a QB and i dont feel like settling for a run of the mill QB. Before he was a Brown i felt that a BQ is available every year, and just because he's wearing orange and brown it dosen't change my mind. maybe he'll be what we need and we can be good but i would rather have a brohm or booty next year, even without seeing them play a game next year over what i have seen of quinn. hope he proves me wrong.

I guess we just disagree. I would take Quinn over Russel this year, and the only prospect next year that looks better IMO is Brohm. If we were going to take a quarterback either this year or next year, then this was probably the best scenario that could have played out.

I also don't see how we're settling for Quinn. I mean, we WANTED Quinn which is why we moved up. Settling would've been taking him third. Settling would've been taking Beck or Stanton in the second(which would've been a horrendous decision IMO). Settling would've been banking on one of the QBs next year being good enough to take high and hope they can turn us around.