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if my memory serves me correct, at least one notre dame player during the early 90s was caught living rent-free off-campus. another player around the same time was caught receiving cash and other benefits from a couple (nd grads, i believe) out west. nobody is immune.
 
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bassbuckeye07;1941118; said:
haha at one SEC school on the list
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They also have the lowest graduation rate on that list, save for BYU. If I recall though, the BYU scenario is because most of their athletes don't graduate on time due to them leaving temporarily for their mission work.

Yeah, I certainly wouldn't say Notre Dame players are any smarter than the average student athlete. Something around 20 is the average for the Wonderlic if I recall, and those 2005 figures show 22.5 for ND. As far as grades, the team has kept a high average of GPA for awhile, it was over 3.0 as a team for some time. Theres not a lot of difficult majors though if I recall, most are enrolled as business. Not too many engineers and only one law student that I can recall in recent memory.
 
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ulukinatme;1941129; said:
They also have the lowest graduation rate on that list, save for BYU. If I recall though, the BYU scenario is because most of their athletes don't graduate on time due to them leaving temporarily for their mission work.
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though perhaps for uninformed reasons, i respect purdue and cal for having a high average wonderlic score with a graduation rate that is not outstanding compared to many others. what does it say about a school that has high academic standards for the student body, produces a lot of student-athletes that are hardly any smarter than joe schmoe, and graduates those unexceptional student-athletes at a high rate?

furthermore, i always find it laughable when a fan crows about his football program's high academic standards. no offense, ulukin, but i hear this a lot from notre dame and penn state fans... and m*ch*gan fans before a few years ago. should these fans really be so arrogant about filling football scholarships mostly with those who would be wait-listed for small state university if it weren't for their physical abilities?
 
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ulukinatme;1941129; said:
They also have the lowest graduation rate on that list, save for BYU. If I recall though, the BYU scenario is because most of their athletes don't graduate on time due to them leaving temporarily for their mission work.
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though perhaps for uninformed reasons, i respect purdue and cal for having a high average wonderlic score with a graduation rate that is not outstanding compared to many others. what does it say about a school that has high academic standards for the student body, produces a lot of student-athletes that are hardly any smarter than joe schmoe, and graduates those unexceptional student-athletes at a high rate?

furthermore, i always find it laughable when a fan crows about his football program's high academic standards. no offense, ulukin, but i hear this a lot from notre dame and penn state fans... and m*ch*gan fans prior to a few years ago. should these fans really be so arrogant about filling football scholarships mostly with those who would be wait-listed for third tier state university if it weren't for their physical abilities?
 
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You have some valid points. There are student athletes graduating from universities across the country that would never measure up to the average college graduate. They may be skating by with ridiculously easy class schedules, or receiving hidden grading benefits because of their standing as athletes similar to FSU a few years ago.

Stats are nice, but when it comes down to it each student athlete must make the most of their education to prepare themselves for life after football. It's well known that most players won't see another down once their college football career is over, and if they slack through 4 years of college they'll be in for a rude awakening once they leave campus.
 
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OSU_Buckguy;1941117; said:
i agree. i think notre dame using academics as an excuse is, by and large, a bunch of malarkey. my guess is that the players who find the field are marginally smarter (if they're smarter at all) than the average football player at a bunch of other major programs that have performed better than notre dame has over the last x amount of seasons. i wouldn't be surprised if the players who don't -- more appropriately: won't ever -- find the field are the ones who skew the average. in regards to the final point, i think it applies to ohio state and many others schools, too.

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I was wondering why the Huskers were in bold there until I realized you got that graphic from Huskermax, repository of tons of information about the Huskers. Huskermax is a great website for Husker info. I use them a lot.
 
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Jaxbuck;1941198; said:
I am loath to do this but I must give some unknown scUM players props if they kept the school in the top 20 while carrying Radio Manningham's 6 around like a land anchor.
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No need for that - the report is from September, 2005 (when Mario played his first game as a Vulvarine), and the 6 would have been recorded in early 2008. :wink2:
 
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BB73;1941212; said:
No need for that - the report is from September, 2005 (when Mario played his first game as a Vulvarine), and the 6 would have been recorded in early 2008. :wink2:
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Good point. I didn't notice the year but I was wondering how in the hell they had 36 guys take the test.

I'd love to see how far RADIO dropped their overall score but then again, I'm not sure they have the minimum number of players drafted to qualify the past 7 years.
 
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CBS

Notre Dame settles with state in student's death


SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- Notre Dame will pay a $42,000 fine for six safety violations, make an undisclosed contribution to a memorial for a student videographer who died at football practice and start a campaign on the hazards of scissor lifts as part of a settlement with the state of Indiana.


The details were announced Friday. Notre Dame had originally been fined $77,500 and the most serious charge against it was that it knowingly put its employees in an unsafe situation and failed to heed National Weather Service warnings on a day when wind speeds reached 53 mph.


The settlement reduces the charge from a knowing violation to a serious violation.
Declan Sullivan, a 20-year-old junior film student from Long Grove, Ill., died Oct. 27 after the hydraulic scissor lift he was on toppled over in high winds while he was filming football practice.
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The report from the Indiana Occupational Health and Safety Administration did not identify who was responsible for making the decision to allow student videographers to go up in the lifts that day. The reports typically do not include that sort of information.
University officials have acknowledged that their procedures and safeguards weren't adequate but said they couldn't find any one person to blame for Sullivan's death. A university report found that several members of the football staff were monitoring wind speeds before practice, but they stopped after they went out for practice.


Sullivan checked later and saw a warning indicating the possibility of gusts up to 60 mph. He tweeted that the weather was "terrifying" and wrote: "Gusts of wind up to 60 mph today will be fun at work. .. I guess I've lived long enough."


A spokesman for Sullivan's parents said the family was satisfied with the settlement, particularly the nationwide safety campaign.


"There can be no better way to remember Declan than to help others avoid future tragedies," Sullivan's uncle, Mike Miley, wrote by e-mail.


Miley and Notre Dame both said the amount of money Notre Dame was contributing to the memorial was private matter.


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