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Notre Dame (football only discussion)

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bassbuckeye07;1947801; said:
All they did was kill someone?

Any Tattoo's?

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Former ND coach George O'Leary, (he was there only a few days before being canned for having false info on his resume), apparently forwarded all of his emails, so there's no need to villify him, even though he was aware that Ereck Plancher had the sickle cell trait.

CBS.Doyel

Shameless Central Florida is a monster

A young man died on its watch, and now Central Florida will appeal a jury's finding that the school was negligent and should pay the dead football player's parents $10 million.

Which tells me UCF has no shame.

Bickering with the parents of a dead kid over why he really died -- when the testimony was chilling, including teammates' assertions that Ereck Plancher was "woozy and staggering" during drills and that he was "cursed at and singled out by [coach George] O'Leary for lack of effort" and that O'Leary withheld water during the workout -- is monstrous.

The jury has decided. The punishment against UCF is harsh, but you know what?

UCF got off easy.

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The football player accused by the woman shortly before she committed suicide remains unidentified, but ND will be required to change how it handles allegations of sexual misconduct.

This story of ND having to change their policies, as well as the story about ND's modified penalties to Indiana OSHA in the Declan Sullivan scissor-lift accident, just happened to come out just before a long holiday weekend.

But hey, why should two dead students get as much coverage as real live players getting some free tattoos, when some savvy PR wonk can manage to minimize the media coverage?

Chicago.Tribune

U.S. government puts Notre Dame in its place

University must improve response to sexual attack reports, confirming 'process' university defended was sham

Somebody needs to find the punk who threatened Lizzy Seeberg with a text message two days after she accused a Notre Dame football player of sexual battery to tell him he was wrong.

Turns out you really can mess with Notre Dame football.

The U.S. government just did.

A university that brags about its integrity shouldn't need federal intervention to find its way. But in a potentially significant defeat of the status quo, the Department of Education has required Notre Dame to make comprehensive reforms to improve its response to sexual attack reports such as the one involving Seeberg.

Last week's agreement between the DOE and Notre Dame completed a seven-month investigation that began after the Tribune detailed the final days of Seeberg, a Northbrook teen who killed herself in her Saint Mary's College dorm nine days after the incident.

It represents a good start and a reminder that clarity often comes from the perspective outside Notre Dame's campus, where the Golden Dome can be less blinding.

No, the word "football" appears nowhere in the nine-page document. Though to try to separate football from these findings is like trying to envision the Notre Dame campus without a stadium. The football culture served as the backdrop for the tragic Seeberg saga from the beginning and was a primary reason the way it was handled received unwanted national attention.

You can see now why the university preferred to keep this quiet in an effort to protect its reputation.

Notre Dame's president, Rev. John I. Jenkins, praised campus police last December for conducting a "thorough and judicious investigation." Coach Brian Kelly, whose player was never charged, crowed about how proud he was about "the university process."

Sorry, but the DOE findings confirm the process Notre Dame blindly defended was a sham.

If it was "thorough and judicious," why did the DOE urge putting a "preponderance of the evidence" standard in writing to steer administrators toward considering whether an alleged attack more likely occurred than not?

If the process was so effective, why did the DOE recommend a 60-day deadline on internal reviews of incidents or change an archaic rule so the alleged victim no longer needs to be in the same room as the accused during campus hearings?

Why should the government have to tell the nation's pre-eminent Catholic university how to treat women, anyway?

Lizzy Seeberg and every woman on the Notre Dame campus ignored or intimidated after making similar accusations deserved better.
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If Notre Dame's press release is any indication, it could require sweeping change at the top in South Bend before anything truly changes. According to Saturday's story on the university website, the DOE "recognizes Notre Dame's wide array of effective policies and procedures related to sexual misconduct and calls upon the university to make several minor modifications to those existing practices.''

Effective policies? Minor modifications?

Among others, the spin annoyed Tom Seeberg, Lizzy's father.

"Their assault on the truth is indefensible," said Seeberg, who has yet to hear from Jenkins since his daughter's death. "Notre Dame's lawyers have cut a deal, signing the resolution without an admission of failure in policy and procedures. However, implicit in the agreement with the DOE is just such an admission. Lizzy's case speaks with quiet persistence from every cold and lawyerly sentence of the resolution. Notre Dame is now legally obligated to clean up its house."

It has become cluttered by lapses in judgment.

Notre Dame's clumsy handling of the accident that killed student videographer Declan Sullivan has been well-documented. The university paid a reduced $42,000 penalty Friday to the Indiana Occupational Safety and Health Administration and agreed to launch educational initiatives on the safe use of scissor lifts. But IOSHA's investigation into that tragedy revealed more questions than answers about the discretion of Kelly and athletic director Jack Swarbrick.

More doubts arose last month after Kelly cleared Michael Floyd to resume voluntary team workouts, effectively ending the wide receiver's suspension. Floyd was arrested in March after his third alcohol-related issue in three years. Yet Kelly has taken an odd all-in or all-out approach with Floyd's eligibility based on him meeting certain unspecified conditions.

In opening the door, Kelly basically is saying to Floyd: Which starting quarterback do you want throwing you the ball Sept. 3?

It doesn't take a federal investigation to see what's going on at Notre Dame, only a clear view from a different zip code.

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According to UConn's Women's Basketball coach, it's Notre Dame's fault that the Big East is losing members:

http://espn.go.com/womens-college-b...e-dame-fighting-irish-big-east-football-issue

NEW YORK -- UConn coach Geno Auriemma believes the Big East conference's realignment issues could have been solved years ago with one simple move -- Notre Dame's football team joining the league.
"They've been in our league 17 years, so how long are we going to date before we just decide this ain't working. And I'm not happy about it," Auriemma said at the conference's annual women's basketball media day Thursday. "That's not the opinion of the University of Connecticut, the Big East Conference. ... That's just Geno Auriemma's opinion."

The Irish, whose women's basketball team is picked first in the conference's preseason poll, have had all of their sports in the Big East with the exception of football, which has remained independent.
Last month, Syracuse and Pittsburgh announced they were leaving the Big East to join the Atlantic Coast Conference. Commissioner John Marinatto said the Big East is trying to become a 12-team football league, and reiterated Thursday that the two schools, which are contractually bound to the league for the next two seasons, will not be allowed out early.
"If Notre Dame had come in as a football and basketball school when they came in, we wouldn't have a problem. Miami wouldn't have left. Virginia Tech wouldn't have left. Boston College wouldn't have left. We probably wouldn't have any of these issues, would we?" Auriemma said.
The conference's plan to get to 12 members includes Navy, Air Force and Boise State as football-only members and Central Florida, Houston and SMU for all sports, though that has not been made public by the league.
The remaining football members are Connecticut, Cincinnati, South Florida, Louisville, West Virginia and Rutgers.
A Notre Dame spokesman declined to comment on Auriemma's remarks.
"We've got one school that holds the future of our league in the palm of their hand and they're not really that concerned about it," Auriemma said. "They're looking out for their best interest and I don't blame them. But join us in football and then look out for your best interest. I applaud that. Every school has a right to do that. I just don't like the way we've gone about it."
While the Big East was built on basketball, Auriemma knows that expansion and conference realignment has always been driven by football.
"It doesn't matter what we think because every decision being made is being made from a football standpoint," he said.
"But if you know, that you as a school, have the ability to put a whole bunch of schools at ease and have the Catholic mentality of, 'We're here to serve and help . . . " he said.
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The conference's plan to get to 12 members includes Navy, Air Force and Boise State as football-only members and Central Florida, Houston and SMU for all sports, though that has not been made public by the league.
The remaining football members are Connecticut, Cincinnati, South Florida, Louisville, West Virginia and Rutgers.
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Talk about a goat roping contest. Time to pull the plug and let the whole thing die before going into something as geographically/geopolitically FUBARed as this.
 
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cincibuck;2017234; said:
Talk about a goat roping contest. Time to pull the plug and let the whole thing die before going into something as geographically/geopolitically FUBARed as this.
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I feel bad for WVU. They've had a (mostly) competitive bowl level program for a long time and deserve better than CUSA pt deaux.
 
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Gunner Kiel's paperwork at ND is complete...he should be enrolling later today.

ND also has a chance at landing Arik Armstead along with his brother Armond, who is transferring from USC. Auburn is also trying to land the brothers.
 
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wadc45;2090361; said:
Gunner Kiel's paperwork at ND is complete...he should be enrolling later today.

ND also has a chance at landing Arik Armstead along with his brother Armond, who is transferring from USC. Auburn is also trying to land the brothers.
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Commits to three different schools in the course of nine months, two in two weeks. :so:
 
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wadc45;2090361; said:
Gunner Kiel's paperwork at ND is complete...he should be enrolling later today.
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Excellent decision by Gunner. I wouldn't be surprised to see him win a couple of Heismans and a national championship (or two).

His uncle Blair, another great Notre Dame quarterback, must be proud.
 
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Buckeyevsworld;2090648; said:
Why doesn't ND schedule Ohio State as a yearly opponent
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that would defeat the "The Echo's have awakened" and "ND is back" and "ND will win the NC this year" chants from Domers/NBC/ESP(i)N, when we stomp a mud whole in them in one of the first 3 games of the season...
 
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