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Notre Dame (football only discussion)

NYG21254246;2341159; said:
Agreed, fuck Notre Dame.

What I don't get about a majority of the $EC's fan base, is the holier than thou act, when they've (as a conference) have been hit by more NCAA sanctions than anyone else.


I lived in the heart of SEC country for the better part of 13 years. I never heard an SEC fan go the holier than thou route.

I heard them incessantly go the better than thou route, well before it was true every year, but the holier than thou stuff is pretty much a northern thing, with ND, scUM and PSU being its main practitioners.

As ORD alluded to, the SEC fans are by and large grounded in reality when it comes to what their football programs and the schools attached to them are all about.
 
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Jaxbuck;2341216; said:
I lived in the heart of SEC country for the better part of 13 years. I never heard an SEC fan go the holier than thou route.

I heard them incessantly go the better than thou route, well before it was true every year, but the holier than thou stuff is pretty much a northern thing, with ND, scUM and PSU being its main practitioners.

As ORD alluded to, the SEC fans are by and large grounded in reality when it comes to what their football programs and the schools attached to them are all about.

I can't stand ND, but at least they play anywhere. Big 10 teams usually play 1-2 quality ooc games a year.

Only $EC team I've seen travel for a quality road game is Alabama (psu). The other "powers" like LSU, Tennessee, auburn, and Florida never do
 
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I'd like to hear ulukinatme's thoughts on losing Golson for the year...Rees has been perpetually rotated in the last couple years but with extremely mixed results. Hendrix hasn't shown much when put in. Zaire (imo) is going to be a star but is obviously a freshman. Kiel is off to UC. Personally, I think as a senior Rees can play to the level of what Golson did last year but of course that is far from a given.

Part of the reason I feel this way is because Rees will have a solid OL to work with...big question is how he fares with most of his weapons (Wood, Riddick, Toma, Goodman, Eifert, etc.) gone. Daniels and Jones help but I think some incoming freshmen (Bryant, Folston, Onwualu, Heuerman, etc.) are going to have to make some big plays to help him out.
 
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RB07OSU;2341246; said:
I'd like to hear ulukinatme's thoughts on losing Golson for the year...Rees has been perpetually rotated in the last couple years but with extremely mixed results. Hendrix hasn't shown much when put in. Zaire (imo) is going to be a star but is obviously a freshman. Kiel is off to UC. Personally, I think as a senior Rees can play to the level of what Golson did last year but of course that is far from a given.

Part of the reason I feel this way is because Rees will have a solid OL to work with...big question is how he fares with most of his weapons (Wood, Riddick, Toma, Goodman, Eifert, etc.) gone. Daniels and Jones help but I think some incoming freshmen (Bryant, Folston, Onwualu, Heuerman, etc.) are going to have to make some big plays to help him out.

It's going to be tough situation to be sure. Kelly was committed to Golson long term last year, even if it meant pulling him out short term for a few games to let Tommy's experience take over. All three remaining QBs are very different and have more limitations than Golson had athletically (Except for Zaire, but he's still learning the playbook).

Tommy isn't nearly as mobile as Golson, nor does he have as strong an arm, but he knows the offense better than any of the other QBs and he does a great job on breaking a defense down. He can't run any of the read option plays, he's just not a run threat, and he's certainly not going to take off if a play breaks down. He's basically pure pocket passer. Eifert used to be one of Tommy's safety valves. With his departure Tommy would need a new target to go to. Eifert's replacement, Troy Niklas, is a better blocker imo but his hands aren't quite as soft. Troy has game experience, but he's never been relied on quite like Eifert as a receiver. I imagine he'll do well, they always get their TE's in the mix.

I'm wondering if Kelly doesn't keep with tradition and continue to use two QBs at times. I don't think he'll start Malik yet. Malik did enroll early and depending on injuries he could see the field in some capacity, but I figure Kelly will try to keep him off the field if possible. Andrew Hendrix has some game experience though and is a little more mobile than Rees. He's not the threat Golson or Zaire are, but he can break off a run when needs be. He quick enough where he could run designed run plays, although I don't think his passing is as accurate as Tommy's or Golson's. He might have more of a long ball than Rees.

Whoever Kelly settles on, I expect the Irish to rely on the run game even more this year than they have before. The offensive line should be in good shape. They lost their two main backs, but they've got a lot of depth at running back this year despite it being mostly unproven. If the defense holds well this year again I imagine the offense will be pretty vanilla with low scoring contests. They'll probably play more power football in Kelly's Spread hybrid, use two TEs and such. Rees isn't much of a deep passing threat, so it'll be a lot of underneath throws and hitting the TE when they go vertical. I genuinely like Tommy and Hendrix though, and given that Hendrix only saw time as an underclassman I'm curious to see how he'd play now. He's a tough kid from nearby Moeller.

Ultimately whoever starts at QB I'm thinking theres going to be at least 2-3 losses this season. I think Oklahoma will get us this time, I expect at least 1 loss in the Big 10, and I think Stanford will be our 3rd. I think we'll handle USC, BYU, and Pitt better.
 
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NYG21254246;2341220; said:
I can't stand ND, but at least they play anywhere. Big 10 teams usually play 1-2 quality ooc games a year.

Only $EC team I've seen travel for a quality road game is Alabama (psu). The other "powers" like LSU, Tennessee, auburn, and Florida never do

The team in bold is the biggest culprit here
LSU has been all over the place and UT (prior to Fulmer's exit) had one of the most progressive schedules around.
 
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BigWoof31;2341556; said:
The team in bold is the biggest culprit here
LSU has been all over the place and UT (prior to Fulmer's exit) had one of the most progressive schedules around.

I agree that Florida never leaves the state for an OOC game. When was the last time LSU played a true road game against a quality OOC opponent (eg Southern Cal, Oregon, Texas, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, or Nebraska)?

Same with Georgia.
 
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NYG21254246;2341580; said:
I agree that Florida never leaves the state for an OOC game. When was the last time LSU played a true road game against a quality OOC opponent (eg Southern Cal, Oregon, Texas, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, or Nebraska)?

Same with Georgia.


http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=322520099
Last September. Washington counts right?

As for the Dawgs, does 2009 in Stillwater count?
 
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BigWoof31;2341587; said:
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=322520099
Last September. Washington counts right?

As for the Dawgs, does 2009 in Stillwater count?

These two examples remind me of all the $EC $EC $EC fans giving the Buckeyes shit for scheduling Washington, Cal, etc. Knowing these things are done years in advance.

All I want to see is home & home or home & away (:biggrin:) games scheduled that take place on the campus. The LSU vs Wisky fiasco angers me. Those are two of the most insane atmospheres.

As for the topic of this thread......FUCK the Catholic School of Indiana!
 
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ulukinatme;2341256; said:
Ultimately whoever starts at QB I'm thinking theres going to be at least 2-3 losses this season. I think Oklahoma will get us this time, I expect at least 1 loss in the Big 10, and I think Stanford will be our 3rd. I think we'll handle USC, BYU, and Pitt better.

Ordinarily this would be a tough schedule, but Oklahoma will be breaking in a new QB. One loss to a Big 10 team? You lack confidence. With the exception of Ohio State, I don't see much in the conference. Michigan State will be down and still looking for someone who can play QB. Hoke is improving matters in Ann Arbor, but Michigan is a long way from being Michigan, Hope is gone from Purdue, literally and figuratively speaking. They'll be looking for a new coach in three seasons.

As for others: USC will have a great starting 22 and no depth.

Stanford looks to me to be your biggest concern. After last year's home cookin' they'll be anxious to have you see the sights at Palo Alto.

Let's face it, even Willingham could get athletes to come to South Bend. If Kelly can keep his sideline antics under control and his head from exploding the Irish should have a very good season.
 
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cincibuck;2343196; said:
Ordinarily this would be a tough schedule, but Oklahoma will be breaking in a new QB. One loss to a Big 10 team? You lack confidence. With the exception of Ohio State, I don't see much in the conference. Michigan State will be down and still looking for someone who can play QB. Hoke is improving matters in Ann Arbor, but Michigan is a long way from being Michigan, Hope is gone from Purdue, literally and figuratively speaking. They'll be looking for a new coach in three seasons.

As for others: USC will have a great starting 22 and no depth.

Stanford looks to me to be your biggest concern. After last year's home cookin' they'll be anxious to have you see the sights at Palo Alto.

Let's face it, even Willingham could get athletes to come to South Bend. If Kelly can keep his sideline antics under control and his head from exploding the Irish should have a very good season.
Two things. Just bolding TheStateUpNorth isn't going to change anything. They're still gonna suck. Hoke is mediocre, at best.

Second, you don't think Hazell is going to do well at Purdue? I have the Purdue game as the most dangerous game during regular season for us.
 
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ant80;2343201; said:
Two things. Just bolding TheStateUpNorth isn't going to change anything. They're still gonna suck. Hoke is mediocre, at best.

I agree! scUM football seems to be at its best...when it's not football season.


Second, you don't think Hazell is going to do well at Purdue? I have the Purdue game as the most dangerous game during regular season for us.

I think Hazell might do a fine job at Purdue, I just wonder if they'll maintain that "thorn in the side" quality they have demonstrated.

Now, despite any kind of historical data that backs up this line of thinking, I think the Hoosiers just might be the best team in the state of Indiana when it's all said and done this year. I can't begin to say just how thankful I am that the game was as close as it was last year considering they are sitting on the schedule right before the meeting with scUM.
 
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