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Notre Dame (football only discussion)

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...e-fatal-accident-102820101027,0,1166825.story


Posts to Sullivan's Facebook page earlier Wednesday demonstrated his trepidation as he posted "This is terrifying," apparently while still on the lift, according to two sources. Miley said the family had no comment about the Facebook post and said the family is trying to get Facebook to remove the comments.



The football team evidently continued to practice, leaving the field roughly 20 to 30 minutes after the accident
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f*ck you, Brian Kelly
 
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A timeline of events, just for people's informational purposes.

Tuesday: ND decides to hold practice indoors due to winds in excess of 40 mph.

Wednesday around 1PM: Despite sustained winds higher than Tuesday's, and wind gusts up to 55 mph, coaching staff decides to practice outdoors.

3:00 PM: Kid facebooks prior to practice (paraphrased) " Can't believe the winds, I guess I've lived long enough"
3:30 PM: Kid goes up and facebooks "Oh [censored] Oh [censored] This is terrifying!"
A few minutes later, the lift (which had a caution sign stating that it is not to be used in winds over 25 mph) fails.

After the kid is taken to a hospital with life threatening (and eventually life consuming) injuries, ND continues to practice for another 30-45 minutes.


Just doesn't make any sense. If the wind was too bad the day before, then when worse winds showed up Wednesday why would they choose to put practice outside? Worried that ND was gonna get "soft"? Not to mention continuing practice. Shows where the priorities are.

Just for reference, OSU has permanent towers that can withstand winds up to 100 mph. Yet, the coaches still decided it wasn't safe enough for the assistents and held practice indoors. So this is definately something that is talked about prepractice, and he decision is a premeditated one.
 
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SIAP

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...re-dame-student-death.ap/index.html?eref=sihp

and the truly astounding part:

The university did not return calls seeking comment on Wednesday, and it was not clear who authorized Sullivan to go up in the scissor lift to videotape Wednesday's practice. It also was not clear who made the scissor lift. But one manufacturer of scissor lifts, HHS Wire, said on its website that the device should not be used in winds above 25 mph.​
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So, somebody thought it okay to send a kid up on this flimsy thing with winds doubling it's published threshold? Heads need to roll for this...very high up heads. This is negligence of the worst kind at best and pure reckless disregard for a kids life at worst.

I'm sure some low level patsies will be offered up, but this is gonna be a big brown stain on that program. This isn't recruiting violations, or too many practice hours...this is a kids life.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...t-death.ap/index.html?eref=sihp#ixzz13g16xPsv​
 
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Buckeye86;1800969; said:
I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on this one. They might not have known how serious the situation was until an ambulance showed up, say 15-20 minutes later?

A fall from that height is nothing to take lightly, but it seems unlikely that it would be fatal more times than not. Maybe I don't know anything about falling though.
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I guess getting to a bowl game is pretty important for ND this year. Golic was talking about how hard his kids were taking it on this morning's show. Was that extra 30 minutes of practice time really going to make that much difference in Kelly's tunnel vision chase for a bowl game?

respect your fellow man.
 
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Buckeye86;1800969; said:
I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on this one. They might not have known how serious the situation was until an ambulance showed up, say 15-20 minutes later?

A fall from that height is nothing to take lightly, but it seems unlikely that it would be fatal more times than not. Maybe I don't know anything about falling though.
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I'm sure the amblance was there in < 5 minutes...ND has a medical center on campus I think. Depending on the fall...the tower could have easily fallen on top of him...too many variables to consider in terms of how serious it "seemed." It seems like common sense to just wait until you hear word from the hospital before practicing though.
 
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Merih;1800982; said:
I'm sure the amblance was there in < 5 minutes...ND has a medical center on campus I think. Depending on the fall...the tower could have easily fallen on top of him...too many variables to consider in terms of how serious it "seemed." It seems like common sense to just wait until you hear word from the hospital before practicing though.
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True, maybe I am being too generous. If Brian Kelly didn't know about the situation, you couldn't expect him to stop practice. Then again, a lift falling like that has to be pretty noticeable, and an ambulance as well.

You would think they would at least investigate the situation. Then again, hindsight is twenty twenty.

The point is, I highly, highly doubt that if Brian Kelly knew someone had just sustained life ending injuries he would have continued practice. He either assumed it wasn't that serious or didn't know about it. That is all I am saying.
 
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http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-notredame-accident

OUTH BEND, Ind. (AP)—Workplace safety officials on Thursday were investigating the death of a Notre Dame student who was videotaping football practice when the tower he was in toppled as high wind gust swept through Indiana. Declan Sullivan, a 20-year-old junior from Long Grove, Ill., died Wednesday at a South Bend hospital after being transported from the LaBar practice complex.
The National Weather Service said winds in the area were gusting to 51 mph at the time when the hydraulic scissor lift, which can be lowered or raised depending on needs, fell over. The football team had practiced indoors the day before because of the blustery conditions caused by a fierce storm.
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The university did not return calls seeking comment on Wednesday, and it was not clear who authorized Sullivan to go up in the scissor lift to videotape Wednesday’s practice. It also was not clear who made the scissor lift. But one manufacturer of scissor lifts, HHS Wire, said on its website that the device should not be used in winds above 25 mph.
Sullivan’s parents were meeting with Notre Dame officials on Thursday, and the family had many questions about his death, his uncle Mike Miley told the Chicago Tribune.
“We’re still digesting the news ourselves,” Miley told the Tribune.
The student, who also wrote for the student newspaper, reportedly posted messages on his Facebook page just before the tower fell, expressing his concerns with being on the lift with high winds. His uncle told the newspaper that the family has decided to keep his Facebook page open so friends can post messages.
“I was satisfied to learn that he was going into a media-related field. I could just see that he was having so much fun taking pictures and filming,” Miley told the Tribune.
Matt Gamber, editor in chief of The Observer, the independent student newspaper for the University of Notre Dame and Saint Mary’s College, said Sullivan was majoring in marketing and film and had written about arts and entertainment events for the newspaper over two years.
“He was an extremely enthusiastic and a really driven kid, and that really showed through for us in his writing. He had a lot of excitement and energy for the events and subjects he covered,” Gamber said.
“Those who know him the best describe him as an enthusiastic, really fun guy to be around,” Gamber said.
The newspaper reported about 200 people attended a memorial Mass for Sullivan on Wednesday night in the chapel of his dormitory. Afterward, attendees processed to a campus shrine, where about 150 students recited part of the rosary.
Indiana Occupational Safety and Health Administration spokesman Marc Lotter said Thursday the agency had an investigator on the scene in South Bend. He said it was too early to say when the agency, which has the authority to levee fines, might release a report.
“Declan was a diligent student worker in our video department and had a tremendous personality and great sense of humor,” Coach Brian Kelly said Wednesday in a release. “He brightened the days for all that had the privilege to work with him, and the Notre Dame football family will dearly miss him.”
Notre Dame was making grief counselors available for students, and university president Rev. John Jenkins will preside over a special Mass in Sullivan’s memory on Thursday.
“We are deeply saddened by this tragic loss,” Jenkins said. “Our hearts go out to the student’s family and friends and our prayers and profound sympathies are with them during this incredibly difficult time. The loss of someone so young is a terrible shock and a great sadness. Our entire community shares in the family’s grief.”
The Fighting Irish, who host Tulsa this Saturday, canceled post-practice interviews after Wednesday’s accident.
“In the midst of a season where you are disappointed with the outcomes … you can lose sight of what’s most important. Sad day at practice,” senior linebacker Brian Smith posted on his Twitter page on Wednesday. “I will never forget today.”
Associated Press writers Ken Kusmer and Rick Callahan contributed to this report from Indianapolis.
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NFBuck;1800976; said:
SIAP

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...re-dame-student-death.ap/index.html?eref=sihp

and the truly astounding part:



So, somebody thought it okay to send a kid up on this flimsy thing with winds doubling it's published threshold? Heads need to roll for this...very high up heads. This is negligence of the worst kind at best and pure reckless disregard for a kids life at worst.

I'm sure some low level patsies will be offered up, but this is gonna be a big brown stain on that program. This isn't recruiting violations, or too many practice hours...this is a kids life.
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Worse yet, they could end up offering up the kid as being at fault somehow. Not saying they'll do that, but nothing surprises me anymore.
 
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Bucklion;1800990; said:
Worse yet, they could end up offering up the kid as being at fault somehow. Not saying they'll do that, but nothing surprises me anymore.
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Like all those evil, little choir boys who sexually threw themselves at the saintly priests.

I wouldn't count on the South Bend DA filing anything criminal against ND football. The parents will get a settlement to not go public, and all will be swept quickly under the carpet.

Imagine the national shitstorm that would hit if this were JT and Ohio State.
 
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[quote='BusNative;180104;4]Even if criminal negligence is not enforced (and it really, really looks like it could/should be), the wrongful death (or whatever they call it) civil suit from this kid's family will be huge... and rightfully so[/quote]

Whatever ND ends up paying the family will probably be covered by their insurance. But, their "friends" at OSHA are most likely going to be hitting ND with a HUGE (as in well into 6 figures) fine. And while they are there to investigate the death OSHA always looks for, and finds, other workplace violations. Most insurance policies do not cover such fines.
 
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