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Notre Dame Fighting Irish (official thread of bowl failures)

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cincibuck said:
"Ohio State’s season-opening victory over Notre Dame drew 10.5 million fans for ABC’s broadcast, according to ShowBuzzDaily. That was a larger audience than the third and fourth games combined: Georgia-Oregon (6.2 million) and Michigan-Colorado State (3.9 million)." And from sports Business Journal:"

Put together, I coma away with two divergent assumptions: 1. Bad as Notre Dame football is the past few seasons, they still bring more eyes to the screen than anyone else in the ACC. 2. But something is happening that if not corrected will reduce their value to the Big Ten or the SEC.
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But they haven't been bad the last few seasons. They've been pretty consistent playoff contender, though usually ending up on the outside. Yet, they still were 4th in tv viewers last year with only 1 game in the top 10. What happens if they're going into one of their 5-6 year downward spirals? As it is, I see three games this year that will draw decent audiences, and that's only because of their opponent. The days of Catholics from Boston to San Francisco tuning in to see them play UNLV or Navy are over.
 
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Zurp said:
It seems like these teams often have a let-down after playing Ohio State. I don't have specific examples, but what about USC in 2009? I think they lost to Washington State the next week. Washington State finished 5-7.
In 2010, Ohio State lost to Wisconsin. The following week, Wisconsin beat Iowa by 1 point. Iowa finished 8-5. (Note that Iowa and Ohio State had a close game, too, so maybe this doesn't count.)
In 2014, Virginia Tech beat Ohio State. The following week, Virginia Tech lost to East Carolina.

Okay, I don't have any more examples.
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That's the nature of CFB, kids play with a lot of emotion. Its the reason so many people favor college to professional football. But the problem is, kids put so much emotion into one game, that they're spent for the next game. Happens all the time to the best teams, 1 of 2 things usually happens: they win the big game and forgot about the next game on the schedule and get upset, or they lose the big game and emotions are too low to get up for the next game. The best teams can limit these losses, but it happens to them all.
 
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cincibuck said:
I ceased to give a shit about Freeman after he dissed the school that put him in a position to make some serious cash. That being said, it looked to me like he had his team ready to play anybody on September 3. Unless they have no one left who can play QB they should be OK. It's a pretty vanilla schedule except for BYU, Clemson, and maybe USC.

I remember Ohio state needing a last-minute field goal to get by Marshall a few years back. Shit DOES happen.
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How'd he diss UC? It just seemed like he took a position at a bigger name school to build his resume to become a HC, doesn't happen all the time? UC is a stepping stone school, they lucked into Fickell, but best believe he has sights set on bigger programs yearly and is waiting for the right position to open. Especially after his experience at OSU, he knows the way he lost to Bama last year, UC will never sniff the CFP again.

DubCoffman62 said:
When you're a head coach suddenly you're in charge of EVERYTHING and that takes a lot of planning and preparation. And a program like Notre Dame always is going to have very high expectations which is good but for someone who lacks seasoning it can be very daunting. You have to have good people around you that are on board with you being the big guy and not people who secretly want you to fail.
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And it doesn't help that Rees wasn't his choice for OC, that was the school's decision. So he's the HC, but mainly runs the defense, and has someone in his 2nd year as OC who he didn't choose and a DC in his 1st year with the program. Not exactly set up to succeed. But that's what happens when you let your boosters and the team's family members force the admin's hands into hiring Freeman. Wait until the season was over and there was a great chance in landing Fickell and Freeman could've been the HC at UC with far less pressure
 
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pnuts34 said:
How'd he diss UC? It just seemed like he took a position at a bigger name school to build his resume to become a HC, doesn't happen all the time? UC is a stepping stone school, they lucked into Fickell, but best believe he has sights set on bigger programs yearly and is waiting for the right position to open. Especially after his experience at OSU, he knows the way he lost to Bama last year, UC will never sniff the CFP again.


And it doesn't help that Rees wasn't his choice for OC, that was the school's decision. So he's the HC, but mainly runs the defense, and has someone in his 2nd year as OC who he didn't choose and a DC in his 1st year with the program. Not exactly set up to succeed. But that's what happens when you let your boosters and the team's family members force the admin's hands into hiring Freeman. Wait until the season was over and there was a great chance in landing Fickell and Freeman could've been the HC at UC with far less pressure
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That would have been ideal
 
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pnuts34 said:
How'd he diss UC? It just seemed like he took a position at a bigger name school to build his resume to become a HC, doesn't happen all the time? UC is a stepping stone school, they lucked into Fickell, but best believe he has sights set on bigger programs yearly and is waiting for the right position to open. Especially after his experience at OSU, he knows the way he lost to Bama last year, UC will never sniff the CFP again.


And it doesn't help that Rees wasn't his choice for OC, that was the school's decision. So he's the HC, but mainly runs the defense, and has someone in his 2nd year as OC who he didn't choose and a DC in his 1st year with the program. Not exactly set up to succeed. But that's what happens when you let your boosters and the team's family members force the admin's hands into hiring Freeman. Wait until the season was over and there was a great chance in landing Fickell and Freeman could've been the HC at UC with far less pressure
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I think he's referring to Freeman dissing Ohio State. I heard the story, but I already forget it. I took it as more of a "showing respect to my new fan base" than a "disrespecting where I played in college". But maybe I didn't get the whole story.
 
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Zurp said:
I think he's referring to Freeman dissing Ohio State. I heard the story, but I already forget it. I took it as more of a "showing respect to my new fan base" than a "disrespecting where I played in college". But maybe I didn't get the whole story.
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OOOOOhhhh! Gotcha, that makes more sense! If that's the case, then my bad @cincibuck . It was kind of a dick move, but I saw it as a young coach trying to endear himself to his fan base. That move honestly, probably bought him a smidgen more time of patience from the ND faithful. But if he can't even make a bowl game this year, he may get canned before Willingham, which is a terrible look for the program
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Does the Pope shit in the woods?
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:lol:
 
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pnuts34 said:
OOOOOhhhh! Gotcha, that makes more sense! If that's the case, then my bad @cincibuck . It was kind of a dick move, but I saw it as a young coach trying to endear himself to his fan base. That move honestly, probably bought him a smidgen more time of patience from the ND faithful. But if he can't even make a bowl game this year, he may get canned before Willingham, which is a terrible look for the program
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I've wondered about that. Do they really have the ONLY two coaches in the program's history who weren't given five years happen to be the ONLY two black coaches in the program's history? Or do they just smugly say, "we're Notre Dame, and we're morally superior to everyone else regardless of what we actually do." It might get interesting.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
I've wondered about that. Do they really have the ONLY two coaches in the program's history who weren't given five years happen to be the ONLY two black coaches in the program's history? Or do they just smugly say, "we're Notre Dame, and we're morally superior to everyone else regardless of what we actually do." It might get interesting.
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Very interesting! But I think they would try and answer with the later, but I don't see it playing out the same way as it did when Willingham was let go for Charlie Cheeseburgers in the current social climate. But if he indeed doesn't get bowl eligible this year, they're going to have to do some rescheduling next year to make sure he gets to at least 7 or 8 wins, because it can get bad, and real fast in South Bend, and their fans and boosters seem quite insulated on their decision making. I can see using Rees as the initial fall guy to keep Freeman through his contract. A lot of pointing fingers may keep their recruiting classes intact for the most part
 
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