Notre Dame Fighting Irish (official thread of bowl failures)

[ScriptOhio]

I've wondered about that. Do they really have the ONLY two coaches in the program's history who weren't given five years happen to be the ONLY two black coaches in the program's history? Or do they just smugly say, "we're Notre Dame, and we're morally superior to everyone else regardless of what we actually do." It might get interesting.

Very interesting! But I think they would try and answer with the later, but I don't see it playing out the same way as it did when Willingham was let go for Charlie Cheeseburgers in the current social climate. But if he indeed doesn't get bowl eligible this year, they're going to have to do some rescheduling next year to make sure he gets to at least 7 or 8 wins, because it can get bad, and real fast in South Bend, and their fans and boosters seem quite insulated on their decision making. I can see using Rees as the initial fall guy to keep Freeman through his contract. A lot of pointing fingers may keep their recruiting classes intact for the most part

Needless to say, the Peter Principle can apply when hiring a head college football coach. Just because a coach is a great coordinator (or high school head coach), doesn't mean that he will be a great college head football coach. I thought Notre Dame would have learned that lesson after they hired Gerry Faust. The head football coach at Notre Dame is a tough job with very high expectations, even proven college head coaches have "bombed out" at Notre Dame.

Re: On December 3, 2021, Freeman was promoted to become the 30th head coach at the University of Notre Dame.

I'm not even sure they seriously interviewed anyone else when they promoted Marcus Freeman to head coach.

Re: Jaguars owner Shahid Khan made the decision to fire Meyer from his position and informed him of this in the early hours of December 16, 2021.

Actually if they had just made Freeman "interim" head coach for the bowl game and waited until after the season to hire a head coach; they may have been able to get Urban Meyer.

Regardless, just 3 games shouldn't necessarily define a man's head coaching career. Marcus Freeman was regarded as one of the young "up and coming" coaches in college football. I've always said that a head coach should be given 4 years to see if he is an effective head coach. He needs that time to be able to recruit "his players" into "his system", etc. With that being said, who knows? Marcus Freeman could get things straightened out and eventually be the "second coming" of Knute Rockne, Frank Leahy, or Era Parseghian.

 

[pnuts34]

Needless to say, the Peter Principle can apply when hiring a head college football coach. Just because a coach is a great coordinator (or high school head coach), doesn't mean that he will be a great college head football coach. I thought Notre Dame would have learned that lesson after they hired Gerry Faust. The head football coach at Notre Dame is a tough job with very high expectations, even proven college head coaches have "bombed out" at Notre Dame.

Re: On December 3, 2021, Freeman was promoted to become the 30th head coach at the University of Notre Dame.

I'm not even sure they seriously interviewed anyone else when they promoted Marcus Freeman to head coach.

Re: Jaguars owner Shahid Khan made the decision to fire Meyer from his position and informed him of this in the early hours of December 16, 2021.

Actually if they had just made Freeman "interim" head coach for the bowl game and waited until after the season to hire a head coach; they may have been able to get Urban Meyer.

Regardless, just 3 games shouldn't necessarily define a man's head coaching career. Marcus Freeman was regarded as one of the young "up and coming" coaches in college football. I've always said that a head coach should be given 4 years to see if he is an effective head coach. He needs that time to be able to recruit "his players" into "his system", etc. With that being said, who knows? Marcus Freeman could get things straightened out and eventually be the "second coming" of Knute Rockne, Frank Leahy, or Era Parseghian.

Notre Dame is the smuggest of smug programs, and I'm sure their admin thought that ANY coach would hop at the opportunity to coach there, and the fact that recruits, players and fans were clamoring for Freeman was enough for them to hire him. Like has been said before, they also could've waited until the end of the season for Fickell, but they expected him to desert his team like Kelly before their bowl game.
And I know Urban has said that ND is his dream school, but I don't think he would go there, he has been quite strategic in places he chooses to coach. He goes to places in fertile recruiting areas(FL and OH), and leaving Jacksonville the way he did, I don't think he'd want the embarrassment of the rebuild it would take at ND. Especially facing the coach who replaced him in game 1. I could be wrong, but that's just my take

 

[Dryden]

I've always said that a head coach should be given 4 years to see if he is an effective head coach. He needs that time to be able to recruit "his players" into "his system", etc.

Not with the transfer portal. Mel Tucker and Lincoln Riley have shown that you sign a 25 man recruiting class and pull 40 transfers with starting experience in one off-season and essentially turn over 70% of a losing roster and win 10 games in year one.

Chris Ash, Jeff Hafley, and Jim Knowles have all proven you can *fix* an underperforming defense in one year too.

The ‘give him three or four years’ mentality is done.

 

[pnuts34]

Not with the transfer portal. Mel Tucker and Lincoln Riley have shown that you sign a 25 man recruiting class and pull 40 transfers with starting experience in one off-season and essentially turn over 70% of a losing roster and win 10 games in year one.

Chris Ash, Jeff Hafley, and Jim Knowles have all proven you can *fix* an underperforming defense in one year too.

The ‘give him three or four years’ mentality is done.

The give him 3-4yrs mentality was done once HCs salaries started exploding! USC just gave Riley $10m/yr, Kelly and Tucker got $9.5m/yr at their schools and Jimbo got $7.5m/yr at aTm, no way do any of those programs have patience for 3-4yrs to wait for a coach to win. Seats are already scorching hot for Kelly and Jimbo, Tucker bought himself time with his great year last year. But if he doesn't win the B1G he's going to be looking for a job, same with Jimbo and Kelly. No one is going to take the excuse of having to compete against Saban. Freeman is at $5m/yr, but missing a bowl game when teams can sleepwalk to 6 wins and land in Frisch's Big Boy Bowl won't cut it for 2 straight years.

 

[BB73]

Looks like he’s turning the other cheek.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

Frisch's Big Boy Bowl

I think that is played in Cheviot, OH isn't it?

 

[sparcboxbuck]

See 1:30 in and enjoy.

 

[Dryden]

See 1:30 in and enjoy.

Your head coach killed a kid and I have too much baggage?!

That was fucking great.

 

[ScriptOhio]

Conversion to Catholic faith a 'family, personal decision,' Notre Dame coach Marcus Freeman says

One of Marcus Freeman’s favorite sayings since his arrival at Notre Dame in early 2021 has been, “This place will change you if you let it.”

Thursday, he offered a little more context to his recent conversion to the Catholic faith, news of which was shared in the Sept. 11 weekly bulletin of his home parish at St. Pius X Catholic Church in Granger.

Freeman, who was raised in the Christian and Korean church traditions, called it a “family decision and personal decision.” His wife Joanna and their six children were already practicing Catholics.



Entire article: https://www.ndinsider.com/story/spo...aith-st-pius-x-granger-manti-teo/69496916007/

 

[Jake]

Don't count 'em out yet!

 

[BB73]

Conversion to Catholic faith a 'family, personal decision,' Notre Dame coach Marcus Freeman says

One of Marcus Freeman’s favorite sayings since his arrival at Notre Dame in early 2021 has been, “This place will change you if you let it.”

Thursday, he offered a little more context to his recent conversion to the Catholic faith, news of which was shared in the Sept. 11 weekly bulletin of his home parish at St. Pius X Catholic Church in Granger.

Freeman, who was raised in the Christian and Korean church traditions, called it a “family decision and personal decision.” His wife Joanna and their six children were already practicing Catholics.



Entire article: https://www.ndinsider.com/story/spo...aith-st-pius-x-granger-manti-teo/69496916007/

If he wasn’t 0-3, would he have announced his conversion this week? He could have announced it before the season, now it could look like he’s trying to win favor with ND fans that haven’t seen him win a game yet.

Of course, I’m a cynical heathen.

 

[pnuts34]

If he wasn’t 0-3, would he have announced his conversion this week? He could have announced it before the season, now it could look like he’s trying to win favor with ND fans that haven’t seen him win a game yet.

Of course, I’m a cynical heathen.

Naw, I thought this as well. He tried to win over some fans by talking shit about OSU, he hasn't won a game, and now he's using faith as a smoke and mirror to keep even more fans from turning on him.

 

[ScriptOhio]

Notre Dame QB Drew Pyne gets ripped by offensive coordinator after rough start to game

Notre Dame had four three-and-outs and a fumble on first five drives

After one of the three-and-outs, Pyne got on a phone with offensive coordinator Tommy Rees, who was calling the plays from upstairs, and Rees lit into Pyne.





Entire article: https://www.foxnews.com/sports/notr...-apart-offensive-coordinator-rough-start-game

 

[pnuts34]

Notre Dame QB Drew Pyne gets ripped by offensive coordinator after rough start to game

Notre Dame had four three-and-outs and a fumble on first five drives

After one of the three-and-outs, Pyne got on a phone with offensive coordinator Tommy Rees, who was calling the plays from upstairs, and Rees lit into Pyne.





Entire article: https://www.foxnews.com/sports/notr...-apart-offensive-coordinator-rough-start-game

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Notre Dame QB Drew Pyne gets ripped by offensive coordinator after rough start to game

Notre Dame had four three-and-outs and a fumble on first five drives

After one of the three-and-outs, Pyne got on a phone with offensive coordinator Tommy Rees, who was calling the plays from upstairs, and Rees lit into Pyne.





Entire article: https://www.foxnews.com/sports/notr...-apart-offensive-coordinator-rough-start-game

I think the OC is sensing who'll be the sacrificial lamb whose head gets piked on the campus gate at the end of the year.