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NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
LMAO! You brought it up I proved you wrong and not you cant deal with it.
Besides I never said ND was THE best and producing QB's but they sure are better than you thought. HUH?? Besides I never compared Oregon I compared the Alabama QB's they you brought up. And you were dead wrong.
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I was dead wrong? I can't deal with it? Your argument so full of crap it is oozing. It's no wonder so many people get riled up in these threads (I am not one of them...especially because it's obvious you are wrong).

But thank you for completely proving my point for me, by ignoring the statistical equality between journeyman Dave Krieg and Joe Montana, and then turning right around and saying I "can't handle your stats" and pointing to yet more numbers. You have just demonstrated the selective amnesia that you always seem to when making arguments like these. I guarantee you that if I were actually saying Krieg and Montana were equivalent, you would be going apeshit right now...but that is exactly what you are doing when you throw meaningless numbers out there and suggest that journeymen-level QBs from ND are somehow better than NFL HOFers from Alabama.

Here's a news flash for you: you can make numbers say anything you want...from magically trying to make Steve Beurlein and Joe Theismann be better than Bart Starr and Joe Namath, to showing that Dave Krieg and Joe Montana are equal...all of which is total crap in real life. If you want anyone to take you seriously, I suggest you stop your selective interpretations and convenient ignorance of the SAME TYPE OF INFORMATION you are putting forth to fit your arguments...which is definitely a pattern.
 
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SanClementeBuck said:
NDC: Enough of this nostalgia of ND's press-pushed notoriety, even under the phenomenal coaching of Jerry Faust. (Talk about a Faustian bargain!).

Tell me how Weis and your team will create team speed that was alarmingly absent last season, when ND played against superior speed. You have one highly touted LB w/speed...and he runs like a domer late for lunch. Who are the others of speedy note? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Their fastest player in a speed position is probably the boxing safety, Zbikowski.

From what my Domer friends tell me, much hinges on the incoming talent as far as improving overall speed is concerned.
Vernaglia is listed as having shown 4.5 speed as an OLB, he will be a Sophomore this year. But, it is the fresh blood of players like Raeshon McNeil that has some Irish fans pining for the future, particularly where they lacked speed or, alternatively, technique last year, in the Defensive backfield.
 
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Bucklion said:
I was dead wrong? I can't deal with it? Your argument so full of crap it is oozing. It's no wonder so many people get riled up in these threads (I am not one of them...especially because it's obvious you are wrong).

But thank you for completely proving my point for me, by ignoring the statistical equality between journeyman Dave Krieg and Joe Montana, and then turning right around and saying I "can't handle your stats" and pointing to yet more numbers. You have just demonstrated the selective amnesia that you always seem to when making arguments like these. I guarantee you that if I were actually saying Krieg and Montana were equivalent, you would be going apeshit right now...but that is exactly what you are doing when you throw meaningless numbers out there and suggest that journeymen-level QBs from ND are somehow better than NFL HOFers from Alabama.

Here's a news flash for you: you can make numbers say anything you want...from magically trying to make Steve Beurlein and Joe Theismann be better than Bart Starr and Joe Namath, to showing that Dave Krieg and Joe Montana are equal...all of which is total crap in real life. If you want anyone to take you seriously, I suggest you stop your selective interpretations and convenient ignorance of the SAME TYPE OF INFORMATION you are putting forth to fit your arguments...which is definitely a pattern.
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First off I also pointed out the ALL-PRO numbers that give ND an edge, ever so slight.While I dont think ND has 2 QB'S the likes or Starr and Namath I do not think either was at the level Montana was.Speaking of journeymen QB's
heck I could hardly find any info on the 4th Alabama QB you mentioned.
Anyway you said that Alabama was clearly ahead of ND at the QB postion which is clearly not the case. Slight yes, huge no way.

MONTANA-NAMATH- ADV MONTANA
THESIMANN -STARR ADV. STARR
LAMONICA-STABLER-ADV. STABLER
BEURLEIN- TODD ADV BEURLEIN
 
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NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
Maybe someday but how bout you be a man and step up and admit it? You know damn well you have. When I read it I thought wow he actually admitted it.

Funny if that same poll (which is very repected) had OSU at the top you would have thought it was the greatest poll in the world.
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You're fuckin' pushin' it now. Either put up or shut up. I never, ever said ND has a better or bigger fan base than ours. If my "admission" had made such an impression on you, you'd figure you'd make a note of that post for furture reference.

I could give a shit about web polls or phone sample polls or any other similar poll...they mean shit. How can hitting a sample size of one in a quarter million be representative? Notre Dame had the best chance in the world four months ago to prove their vaunted fan base and they failed to do so...we owned the stands just like we owned the field. Face it, Notre Dame isn't #1 in either.
 
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Actually I think Leo Ferrine is the fastest player on our team... willingham didnt recrut jack for our defense.. weis has got some key guys coming in with McNeil, Darrin Walls, George West and Sergio Brown in the secondary.. richard jackson and barry gallup on offense.... but other than that the speed guys returning from last year,,, grimes, hord, ferrine, lambert... itll be there in a year or two for the secondary
sandgk said:
Their fastest player in a speed position is probably the boxing safety, Zbikowski.

From what my Domer friends tell me, much hinges on the incoming talent as far as improving overall speed is concerned.
Vernaglia is listed as having shown 4.5 speed as an OLB, he will be a Sophomore this year. But, it is the fresh blood of players like Raeshon McNeil that has some Irish fans pining for the future, particularly where they lacked speed or, alternatively, technique last year, in the Defensive backfield.
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See CFN preview "9-3 isn't good enough" . Seems like we have heard that one before.


For not wanting to join the Big 10 they sure play enough Big 10 teams:
<TABLE id=table5 width=160><TBODY><TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-1]9[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-1]/2[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]<TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]at Georgia Tech[/FONT]</TD></TR>[/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]<TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]9/9[/FONT]</TD>[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-1]<TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Penn State[/FONT]</TD></TR>[/SIZE][/FONT]<TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]9/[/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]16[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Michigan[/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]9/23[/FONT]</TD>[FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1]<TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]at Michigan State[/FONT]</TD></TR>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]<TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]9/30[/FONT]</TD>[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1]<TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Purdue[/FONT]</TD></TR>[/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1]<TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]10/7[/FONT]</TD>[FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1]<TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Stanford[/FONT]</TD></TR>[/SIZE][/FONT]<TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]10/21[/FONT]</TD>[FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1]<TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]UCLA[/FONT]</TD></TR>[/SIZE][/FONT]<TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]10/2[/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]8[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]at Navy[/FONT]</TD></TR>[/SIZE][/FONT]<TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]11/4[/FONT]</TD>[FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1]<TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]North Carolina[/FONT]</TD></TR>[/SIZE][/FONT]<TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]11/11[/FONT]</TD>[FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1]<TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]at Air Force[/FONT]</TD></TR>[/SIZE][/FONT]<TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]11/1[/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]8[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Army[/FONT]</TD></TR>[/SIZE][/FONT]<TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]11/[/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]25[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]at USC[/FONT]</TD></TR>[/SIZE][/FONT]</TBODY></TABLE>

Notre Dame Fighting Irish[FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]
[/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]Preview 2006[/FONT]
9-3 isn't good enough ... 9-3 isn't good enough ... 9-3 isn't good enough ... 9-3 isn't good enough ... 9-3 isn't good enough ... 9-3 isn't good enough ... 9-3 isn't good enough ... 9-3 isn't good enough ... Literally, that's the writing on the wall.

- 2006 ND Offense Breakdown
- 2006 ND Defense Breakdown
- 2006 ND Depth Chart
- 2006 ND Further Analysis
- 2005 ND Preview

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No matter what your feelings are about Notre Dame football, deep down, you have to wish Charlie Weis was your head coach for no other reason than for his attitude.

You want to feel like your head coach cares more than you do. You want to feel like your head coach will accept nothing less than winning. You want to feel like your head coach understands that a moral victory means nothing when your obnoxious fan-of-another-superpower friend calls you to laugh at your team's loss.

Weis appears to get that more than any other recent head coach, and his attitude marches step for step with the beliefs of the Irish nation. The issue under former head coach Ty Willingham wasn't necessarily his record, it wasn't his mediocre recruiting classes, and it sure as shoot had nothing to do with skin color. The issue, for many Irish fans, appeared to be that the program wasn't headed in the right direction and was starting to slip further and further from being a superpower. Real or imagined, the perceptions meant a change had to be made to get someone like Weis, who with his Super Bowl background, understood that either you win, or you don't; there's no middle ground.[/SIZE][/SIZE][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1]
<TABLE id=table3 cellSpacing=4 width=170 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>[FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Head coach: Charlie Weis
2nd year: 9-3
Returning Lettermen:
Off 15, Def 20, ST 1
Lettermen Lost: 23[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
</TD></TR><TR><TD>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Ten Best Irish Players
1. QB Brady Quinn, Sr.
2. WR Jeff Samardzija, Sr.
3. FS/PR Tom Zbikowski, Sr.
4. RB Darius Walker, Jr.
5. LB Maurice Crum Jr., Jr.
6. DT Derek Landri, Sr.
7. OT Ryan Harris, Sr.
8. DE Victor Abiamiri, Sr.
9. DT Trevor Laws, Sr.
10. WR Rhema McKnight, Sr. [/FONT]
</TD></TR>[FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1]<TR><TD>[FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]<TABLE id=table5 width=160><TBODY><TR><TD align=left width=146 bgColor=#003300 colSpan=2>
2006 Schedule​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]CFN Prediction: coming[/FONT]​

</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=27>[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-1]9[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-1]/2[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]<TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]at Georgia Tech[/FONT]</TD></TR>[/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]<TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]9/9[/FONT]</TD>[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-1]<TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Penn State[/FONT]</TD></TR>[/SIZE][/FONT]<TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]9/[/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]16[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Michigan[/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]9/23[/FONT]</TD>[FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1]<TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]at Michigan State[/FONT]</TD></TR>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]<TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]9/30[/FONT]</TD>[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1]<TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Purdue[/FONT]</TD></TR>[/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1]<TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]10/7[/FONT]</TD>[FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1]<TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Stanford[/FONT]</TD></TR>[/SIZE][/FONT]<TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]10/21[/FONT]</TD>[FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1]<TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]UCLA[/FONT]</TD></TR>[/SIZE][/FONT]<TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]10/2[/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]8[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]at Navy[/FONT]</TD></TR>[/SIZE][/FONT]<TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]11/4[/FONT]</TD>[FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1]<TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]North Carolina[/FONT]</TD></TR>[/SIZE][/FONT]<TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]11/11[/FONT]</TD>[FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1]<TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]at Air Force[/FONT]</TD></TR>[/SIZE][/FONT]<TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]11/1[/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]8[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Army[/FONT]</TD></TR>[/SIZE][/FONT]<TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]11/[/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]25[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]at USC[/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD></TR>[FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1]<TR><TD>[FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]<TABLE id=table6 width=160><TBODY><TR><TD align=left width=146 bgColor=#003300 colSpan=2>
2005 Schedule​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]CFN Prediction: 5-6[/FONT]​
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2005 Record: 9-3​
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Preview 2005 predicted wins​

</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]9/3[/FONT]</TD><TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]at Pittsburgh W 42-21[/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]9/10[/FONT]</TD><TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]at Michigan W 17-10[/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]9/17[/FONT]</TD><TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Michigan St L 44-41 OT[/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]9/24[/FONT]</TD><TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]at Washington[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica] W 36-17[/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]10/1[/FONT]</TD><TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]at Purdue W 49-28[/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]10/15[/FONT]</TD><TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]USC L 34-31[/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]10/22[/FONT]</TD><TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]BYU[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica] W 49-23[/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]1[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]1/5[/FONT]</TD><TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Tennessee W 41-21[/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]11/[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]12[/FONT]</TD><TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Navy[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]W 42-21[/FONT]</TD></TR>[/SIZE][/FONT]<TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]11/1[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]9[/FONT]</TD><TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Syracuse[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica] W 34-10[/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]11/[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]26[/FONT]</TD><TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]at Stanford[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica] W 38-31[/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=27>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]1[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]/2[/FONT]</TD>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]<TD align=left width=119>[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Fiesta Bowl
Ohio State L 34-20[/FONT]
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[SIZE=-1]Now, Notre Dame fans are already figuring out flight schedules to Arizona for the BCS Championship game assuming that if Weis could do that in one year, the next logical step is a national title, right? [/SIZE][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1]

(thhhtweeep ... sound of a whistle blowing) Time out. Everyone take a deep breath, pop a Ritalin, and relax for a little bit.

Last year proved that the team, problems and all, can get by on great coaching, a phenomenal set of offensive players, and, as cliché as this might sound, plenty of heart. However, there's a reality to face about last year.

It's not Notre Dame's fault, but Pitt, Michigan, Purdue and Tennessee weren't nearly as good as they were expected to be, and the two games against the really, really big boys, USC and Ohio State, were losses. As harsh as it might sound, Notre Dame might not have really accomplished anything quite yet. The person who'd agree with that more than anyone else is Weis.

This is a tremendously flawed team with average corners, a limited pass rush from the front four, and no developed depth anywhere meaning the machine might quickly grind to a halt if injuries hit the skill positions. The secondary didn't get any faster in the off-season, and the overall athleticism and talent level, which was exposed in the Fiesta Bowl by Ohio State, is a year or two away from being up-to-snuff for a national title-caliber powerhouse. There's a whole boatload of talent on the way, but not all of the stars are in South Bend quite yet. Does that mean the Irish can't play for the national title? Not necessarily. And why? ...[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1]The Schedule: ... If you want to play for a national championship, this is a good schedule to do it with thanks to a great mix of high profile games and winnable home dates that not only sets up well for a big run, but also is strong enough to mean one-loss might still not crush title hopes. At Georgia Tech isn't going to be a walk in the park to start the season, but a team looking to play for all the marbles has to win a game like that. Penn State, Michigan, Purdue (who's better this year), and UCLA all have to come to South Bend. The only road trip to worry about between September 2nd and the finale at USC is at Michigan State (who's a lot better this year). An elite, national-title level team goes 11-0 before the showdown in L.A.
Best Offensive Player: Senior QB Brady Quinn. He went from being a nice passer who put up big numbers to an oh-my-goodness pro prospect who might go number one in the 2007 NFL Draft and likely would've gone in the top ten this year. He has always had the size, mobility, and arm, and now he has the coaching and the proof that his decision-making ability can be Super Bowl caliber.
Best Defensive Player: Senior FS Tom Zbikowski. He might not be the prettiest defensive back around, but he's tough-as-nails and is the type of college playmaker who changes games with one play. He can be a difference maker both as a defender and a punt returner.
Key player to a successful season: Outside linebackers Steve Quinn and Anthony Vernaglie. Throw Joe Brockington, Mitchell Thomas and Kevin Washington in the mix. The Irish have to replace 172 tackles, 11 sacks, and 29 tackles for loss worth of production from Brandon Hoyte and Corey Mays. Maurice Crum, Jr. will move to the middle to take over for Mays meaning immediate production will be needed on the outside.
The season will be a success if ... Notre Dame plays for the national title. If 9-3 isn't good enough for Charlie Weis, then it's not good enough to hope for anything less than a shot at the championship. Setting the bar a bit too high isn't a bad thing.
Key game: November 25th at USC. Notre Dame could lose to Georgia Tech in the opener and still end up playing for the national title. It can't lose in the regular season finale to USC and hope to have a shot at the big prize. Lost in the magnificence of last year's classic is that the Irish have lost its last four to the Trojans.
2005 Fun Stats:
- Third down conversions: Notre Dame 90 of 184 (49%) - Opponents 58 of 165 (35%)
- Second quarter scoring: Notre Dame 145 - Opponents 47
- Punt returns: Notre Dame 14.1 yards per return - Opponents 6.4 yards per return

[/SIZE][/FONT]The Last Time Notre Dame…
…played in a bowl game…2005 (Fiesta Bowl vs. Ohio State)
…missed a bowl game…2003
…pitched a shutout…2002 (Rutgers)
…was shutout…2003 (Florida State)
…scored 50 points…2003 (Stanford)
…went undefeated…1988
…won a conference title…never
…had a 3,000-yard passer…2005 (Brady Quinn)
…had a 1,000-yard rusher…2005 (Darius Walker)
…had a 1,000-yard receiver…2005 (Jeff Samardzija and Maurice Stovall)
…had a first-round draft choice…2003 (C Jeff Faine)[FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]

[FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1]<HR>http://www.collegefootballnews.com/ind_nd/2006_Previews/NotreDame_preview.htm[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
I could give a shit about web polls or phone sample polls or any other similar poll...they mean shit. How can hitting a sample size of one in a quarter million be representative? Notre Dame had the best chance in the world four months ago to prove their vaunted fan base and they failed to do so...we owned the stands just like we owned the field. Face it, Notre Dame isn't #1 in either.
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A simple random sample of about 2000 is valid for a country about our size with a margin of error of around 3-4%. However, the problem with a Harris Interactive poll via the internet is that it is not a simple random sample. There is no statistical vailidity to this online poll due to it not adhering to basic statistical sampling methods.

BTW NDChief the only word that really needs be said is "scoreboard".
 
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buckiprof said:
A simple random sample of about 2000 is valid for a country about our size with a margin of error of around 3-4%. However, the problem with a Harris Interactive poll via the internet is that it is not a simple random sample. There is no statistical vailidity to this online poll due to it not adhering to basic statistical sampling methods.

BTW NDChief the only word that really needs be said is "scoreboard".
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Also, what has happened is that these two questions have been piggy-backed onto an omnibus survey probably consisting of more than one hundred unrelated questions. The real sample consists only of the approximately 700 respondents who said they follow college football.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
You're fuckin' pushin' it now. Either put up or shut up. I never, ever said ND has a better or bigger fan base than ours. If my "admission" had made such an impression on you, you'd figure you'd make a note of that post for furture reference.

I could give a shit about web polls or phone sample polls or any other similar poll...they mean shit. How can hitting a sample size of one in a quarter million be representative? Notre Dame had the best chance in the world four months ago to prove their vaunted fan base and they failed to do so...we owned the stands just like we owned the field. Face it, Notre Dame isn't #1 in either.
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Pushing what? Like you friggin scare me! PLEASE! I have a solid poll heck actually several years worth while you have a game. I also have a TV contract and the media darlings of America.

Heck most posters on this board agree with me.
 
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