NCAA punishes USC - Reggie Bush, OJ Mayo, Dwayne Jarrett, Joe McKnight investigation

[DaddyBigBucks]

Didn't Young pass for over 3,000 yds and rush for over 1,000 yds that year? That's pretty great IMO.

Reggie Bush getting that Heisman was not remotely controversial here or anywhere else (with the possible exception of Austin).

That having been said, ineligibility is not a difficult concept for most people. Ineligible to play = ineligible for rewards appertaining thereto.

 

[jlb1705]

Didn't Young pass for over 3,000 yds and rush for over 1,000 yds that year? That's pretty great IMO.

True. He was the first person to accomplish that particular feat (Dan LeFevour also did it in 2007).

 

[buckeyesin07]

Reggie Bush getting that Heisman was not remotely controversial here or anywhere else (with the possible exception of Austin).

I never said it was a controversial decision. I was merely pointing out that Young put up some great stats that year.

That having been said, ineligibility is not a difficult concept for most people. Ineligible to play = ineligible for rewards appertaining thereto.

I couldn't agree more. For that reason and given the requirements for eligibility for the Heisman, I never understood why a lot of people even thought the Heisman Trust might let Bush keep the trophy.

 

[ScriptOhio]

Reggie Bush: No admission of guilt

METAIRIE, La. -- Reggie Bush said Thursday that his decision to relinquish his Heisman Trophy should not be seen as an admission that he and his family improperly accepted cash and gifts from sports agents while he played for USC.
"It's definitely not an admission of guilt. It's me showing respect to the Heisman Trophy itself and to the people who came before me and the people coming after," Bush said after practice with the New Orleans Saints.
"I just felt like it was the best thing to do, the most respectful thing to do because obviously I do respect the Heisman, I do respect all the things it stands for," Bush said. "I felt just to kind of silence all the talk around it, all the negativity around it. I felt like this would be the best decision to do right now so I could focus."
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"How do I clear my name? I don't know. I'm not sure. This is the first time I've been in this situation," Bush added. "I've obviously got to brainstorm and get together with my team and see what we can do. I'm here to lend a helping hand to USC and any time they need me and any time I can do something to help them, they know I'm just a phone call away."
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Entire article: http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5581066


Maybe OJ could give him some advise on how to "clear his name".

 

[buckeyes_rock]

METAIRIE, La. -- Reggie Bush said Thursday that his decision to relinquish his Heisman Trophy should not be seen as an admission that he and his family improperly accepted cash and gifts from sports agents while he played for USC.
"It's definitely not an admission of guilt. It's me showing respect to the Heisman Trophy itself and to the people who came before me and the people coming after," Bush said after practice with the New Orleans Saints.
"I just felt like it was the best thing to do, the most respectful thing to do because obviously I do respect the Heisman, I do respect all the things it stands for," Bush said. "I felt just to kind of silence all the talk around it, all the negativity around it. I felt like this would be the best decision to do right now so I could focus."
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"How do I clear my name? I don't know. I'm not sure. This is the first time I've been in this situation," Bush added. "I've obviously got to brainstorm and get together with my team and see what we can do. I'm here to lend a helping hand to USC and any time they need me and any time I can do something to help them, they know I'm just a phone call away."
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Entire article: http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5581066


Maybe OJ could give him some advise on how to "clear his name".

It should not be seen as an admission of guilt? LOL...what the heck was it then? Just didn't want it anymore?

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

So...he's gonna devote the rest of his life to finding the real cbeaters .

METAIRIE, La. -- Reggie Bush said Thursday that his decision to relinquish his Heisman Trophy should not be seen as an admission that he and his family improperly accepted cash and gifts from sports agents while he played for USC.
"It's definitely not an admission of guilt. It's me showing respect to the Heisman Trophy itself and to the people who came before me and the people coming after," Bush said after practice with the New Orleans Saints.
"I just felt like it was the best thing to do, the most respectful thing to do because obviously I do respect the Heisman, I do respect all the things it stands for," Bush said. "I felt just to kind of silence all the talk around it, all the negativity around it. I felt like this would be the best decision to do right now so I could focus."
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"How do I clear my name? I don't know. I'm not sure. This is the first time I've been in this situation," Bush added. "I've obviously got to brainstorm and get together with my team and see what we can do. I'm here to lend a helping hand to USC and any time they need me and any time I can do something to help them, they know I'm just a phone call away."
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Entire article: http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5581066


Maybe OJ could give him some advise on how to "clear his name".

 

[Gatorubet]

I'm halfway through his new book - "If I took the money!!"

Great read.

 

[Magua]

The fact that he goes on to take jabs at the Universities and NCAA for "making millions and millions of dollars" off these kids and giving them nothing in return, and that needing to change, pretty much tells me he took money. He even said, you surround these kids with money and expect them not to take it? Not going to happen.

Sorry Reggie, you were given plenty (legally) at USC. A free education, the chance to live such a crazy LA lifestyle, and the chance to score a lucrative NFL contract. Don't fucking tell me the universities/ncaa don't give kids anything. He says they come from "nothing" - but guess what? The university puts a roof over your head, and food in your belly, so stop your crying you guilty bitch.

 

[buckeyesin07]

The fact that he goes on to take jabs at the Universities and NCAA for "making millions and millions of dollars" off these kids and giving them nothing in return, and that needing to change, pretty much tells me he took money. He even said, you surround these kids with money and expect them not to take it? Not going to happen.

Sorry Reggie, you were given plenty (legally) at USC. A free education, the chance to live such a crazy LA lifestyle, and the chance to score a lucrative NFL contract. Don't [censored]ing tell me the universities/ncaa don't give kids anything. He says they come from "nothing" - but guess what? The university puts a roof over your head, and food in your belly, so stop your crying you guilty bitch.

He also takes a few shots at agents. In Reggie's world, it's everyone's fault but his. And he's still not willing to admit he did anything wrong.

 

[Systems_id]

The fact that he goes on to take jabs at the Universities and NCAA for "making millions and millions of dollars" off these kids and giving them nothing in return, and that needing to change, pretty much tells me he took money. He even said, you surround these kids with money and expect them not to take it? Not going to happen.

Sorry Reggie, you were given plenty (legally) at USC. A free education, the chance to live such a crazy LA lifestyle, and the chance to score a lucrative NFL contract. Don't [censored]ing tell me the universities/ncaa don't give kids anything. He says they come from "nothing" - but guess what? The university puts a roof over your head, and food in your belly, so stop your crying you guilty bitch.

Honestly I see his argument. All of the things you mentioned is nothing compared to what that football program reaps in revenue I'm guessing. Why shouldn't the players who help bring in those millions get a little piece of the pie? The coaches obviously do. Why should someone like Nick Saban get paid $4 million a year yet the players of his number one ranked team get a scholarship probably worth less than a hundred grand? And hell they can't even spend that money how they like.

The thing that always got me is that these players, at least the players of big D-1A schools like Ohio State and USC, are basically treated like pro players. The press conferences, national television exposure, getting hounded by reporters, etc. yet people have the nerve to get pissed when these players start wanting benefits? You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either treat these kids like college students (with certain obligations of course) or give them a stipend.

That's my beef with this whole deal. Sure Reggie Bush was was in violation and sure of had his Heisman taken away but I always thought the rules were unfair to the players anyways.

 

[buxfan4life]

Honestly I see his argument. All of the things you mentioned is nothing compared to what that football program reaps in revenue I'm guessing. Why shouldn't the players who help bring in those millions get a little piece of the pie? The coaches obviously do. Why should someone like Nick Saban get paid $4 million a year yet the players of his number one ranked team get a scholarship probably worth less than a hundred grand? And hell they can't even spend that money how they like.

The thing that always got me is that these players, at least the players of big D-1A schools like Ohio State and USC, are basically treated like pro players. The press conferences, national television exposure, getting hounded by reporters, etc. yet people have the nerve to get pissed when these players start wanting benefits? You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either treat these kids like college students (with certain obligations of course) or give them a stipend.

That's my beef with this whole deal. Sure Reggie Bush was was in violation and sure of had his Heisman taken away but I always thought the rules were unfair to the players anyways.

They do get a small stipend, but, they are also going to these schools for free. I would have LOVED to be able to go to OSU for free back in the day, but I had to PAY thousands of dollars for that opportunity. That is their pay right there.

You start paying players, then you have the whole "Whose gonna pay me more" shit starting and then recruiting becomes more like negotiating and free agency. The schools benefit, as do the other sports and athletes that are non-revenue. The satisfaction that, as a player, you are helping these other athletes as well as the school should suffice for the 3 or 4 years they are there. If not, well, then go pound sand.

College Football IS NOT the NFL farm system.

 

[Magua]

Honestly I see his argument. All of the things you mentioned is nothing compared to what that football program reaps in revenue I'm guessing. Why shouldn't the players who help bring in those millions get a little piece of the pie? The coaches obviously do. Why should someone like Nick Saban get paid $4 million a year yet the players of his number one ranked team get a scholarship probably worth less than a hundred grand? And hell they can't even spend that money how they like.

The thing that always got me is that these players, at least the players of big D-1A schools like Ohio State and USC, are basically treated like pro players. The press conferences, national television exposure, getting hounded by reporters, etc. yet people have the nerve to get pissed when these players start wanting benefits? You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either treat these kids like college students (with certain obligations of course) or give them a stipend.

That's my beef with this whole deal. Sure Reggie Bush was was in violation and sure of had his Heisman taken away but I always thought the rules were unfair to the players anyways.

As buxfan stated, if you start paying these athletes then it's going to be UGLY. Some will want more than others, and then I would assume agents would want the ability to represent players and well...nothing good comes form that.

Not to mention, if you start paying Football players then you have to start paying all student athletes. Also, and here's my main point. That free scholarship is worth A LOT more than the actual price of tuition. Take that free scholarship to a good school away from these athletes, and where do a lot of them end up? Not in the NFL. Not with a college degree and an almost guaranteed good job if they don't make it to the NFL. That scholarship in the end is putting WAY more than 100grand in their pocket.

 

[Gatorubet]

College Football IS NOT the NFL farm system.

I dunno....pretty damn close.

 

[matcar]

I dunno....pretty damn close.

Agreed. It is an NFL farm system, just with a different mechanism for "pay".

 

[buckeyesin07]

Honestly I see his argument. All of the things you mentioned is nothing compared to what that football program reaps in revenue I'm guessing. Why shouldn't the players who help bring in those millions get a little piece of the pie? The coaches obviously do. Why should someone like Nick Saban get paid $4 million a year yet the players of his number one ranked team get a scholarship probably worth less than a hundred grand? And hell they can't even spend that money how they like.

The thing that always got me is that these players, at least the players of big D-1A schools like Ohio State and USC, are basically treated like pro players. The press conferences, national television exposure, getting hounded by reporters, etc. yet people have the nerve to get [censored]ed when these players start wanting benefits? You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either treat these kids like college students (with certain obligations of course) or give them a stipend.

That's my beef with this whole deal. Sure Reggie Bush was was in violation and sure of had his Heisman taken away but I always thought the rules were unfair to the players anyways.

I don't see his argument at all if it's designed to justify what he did. Whether college athletes should be paid or not is an entirely separate conversation. The topic at hand, however, is Reggie breaking the rules, which he did. He knew the rules and he broke them. Whether he agrees that it should be a rule is an entirely separate question from whether he should be held accountable for breaking the rules. You're allowing him to change the subject and distract you.