NCAA punishes USC - Reggie Bush, OJ Mayo, Dwayne Jarrett, Joe McKnight investigation

[Systems_id]

They do get a small stipend, but, they are also going to these schools for free. I would have LOVED to be able to go to OSU for free back in the day, but I had to PAY thousands of dollars for that opportunity. That is their pay right there.

You start paying players, then you have the whole "Whose gonna pay me more" [censored] starting and then recruiting becomes more like negotiating and free agency. The schools benefit, as do the other sports and athletes that are non-revenue. The satisfaction that, as a player, you are helping these other athletes as well as the school should suffice for the 3 or 4 years they are there. If not, well, then go pound sand.

College Football IS NOT the NFL farm system.

It IS an NFL at the D-1A level and that's what makes the whole thing unfair in my opinion. You want to talk about it becoming more NFL like but, if you're a superstar recruit playing for a high level program like Ohio State or Alabama, you're basically treated like an NFL athlete. You sure are subjected to the same scrutiny. My issue with all this is the double standard. The NCAA is a-ok making hundreds of millions off of the big time programs these kids play at then scoff when said kids want a bigger piece of the pie that THEY themselves baked?

I say if you're not going compensate these kids for what they're worth to your program (and a full ride isn't going to cut it. I got a full ride to OSU and I'm pretty sure my contribution to the OSU revenue stream paled in comparison to Troy Smith or Terrelle Pryor) then at the very least the players should be able to hire an agent.

And once again, I already said that Reggie Bush should of been stripped of his Heisman because of the violation. And was he trying to deflect some of the blame with his comments? Probably, but that doesn't stop them from being any less valid.

As buxfan stated, if you start paying these athletes then it's going to be UGLY. Some will want more than others, and then I would assume agents would want the ability to represent players and well...nothing good comes form that.

Not to mention, if you start paying Football players then you have to start paying all student athletes. Also, and here's my main point. That free scholarship is worth A LOT more than the actual price of tuition. Take that free scholarship to a good school away from these athletes, and where do a lot of them end up? Not in the NFL. Not with a college degree and an almost guaranteed good job if they don't make it to the NFL. That scholarship in the end is putting WAY more than 100grand in their pocket.

What's wrong with athletes wanting more if they contribute more? Why is it wrong for Terrelle Pryor to ask for more when he's arguably the most important player on the team? And I didn't say anything about paying all Football players, just the ones like Reggie Bush who make a significant impact on the program. Another thing is that these kids barely have the time to get a good education because the majority of their time is spent at practice. These kids aren't being recruited to get a good education, they're there to play football and make the program money.

 

[Saw31]

It IS an NFL at the D-1A level and that's what makes the whole thing unfair in my opinion. You want to talk about it becoming more NFL like but, if you're a superstar recruit playing for a high level program like Ohio State or Alabama, you're basically treated like an NFL athlete. You sure are subjected to the same scrutiny. My issue with all this is the double standard. The NCAA is a-ok making hundreds of millions off of the big time programs these kids play at then scoff when said kids want a bigger piece of the pie that THEY themselves baked?

Wait. Since when is the NCAA making hundreds of millions off these kids? The money goes to the schools to support other athletic programs, and that's only at a few select places that actually make any money in the first place...

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

It IS an NFL at the D-1A level and that's what makes the whole thing unfair in my opinion. You want to talk about it becoming more NFL like but, if you're a superstar recruit playing for a high level program like Ohio State or Alabama, you're basically treated like an NFL athlete. You sure are subjected to the same scrutiny. My issue with all this is the double standard. The NCAA is a-ok making hundreds of millions off of the big time programs these kids play at then scoff when said kids want a bigger piece of the pie that THEY themselves baked?

So, top-flight medical students should get paid because he/she will get paid six figures at a major hospital, medical research cneter, or private practice? How about the upper crust of the law school students?

Very few major college football players make it to the NFL and even fewer get the huge contracts. You make it sound like they're being denied what they'd otherwise be making in the pros.

By the way, the NCAA isn't making hundreds of millions of dollars, and very few schools turn a significant profit in the athletic department.

 

[DaveyBoy]

It IS an NFL at the D-1A level and that's what makes the whole thing unfair in my opinion. You want to talk about it becoming more NFL like but, if you're a superstar recruit playing for a high level program like Ohio State or Alabama, you're basically treated like an NFL athlete. You sure are subjected to the same scrutiny. My issue with all this is the double standard. The NCAA is a-ok making hundreds of millions off of the big time programs these kids play at then scoff when said kids want a bigger piece of the pie that THEY themselves baked?


I say if you're not going compensate these kids for what they're worth to your program (and a full ride isn't going to cut it. I got a full ride to OSU and I'm pretty sure my contribution to the OSU revenue stream paled in comparison to Troy Smith or Terrelle Pryor) then at the very least the players should be able to hire an agent.



And once again, I already said that Reggie Bush should of been stripped of his Heisman because of the violation. And was he trying to deflect some of the blame with his comments? Probably, but that doesn't stop them from being any less valid.


What's wrong with athletes wanting more if they contribute more? Why is it wrong for Terrelle Pryor to ask for more when he's arguably the most important player on the team? And I didn't say anything about paying all Football players, just the ones like Reggie Bush who make a significant impact on the program. Another thing is that these kids barely have the time to get a good education because the majority of their time is spent at practice. These kids aren't being recruited to get a good education, they're there to play football and make the program money.

Aside from a few dozen highly paid administrators at the NCAA and some working-class support staff, the NCAA doesn't spend any $.....the money goes to the universities to pay for stadiums, academic counselors, coach and staff salaries, scholarships for hundreds of athletes across the university, academic facilities, transportation to games, medical insurance, room and board. YOu see, in order to pay the FB and BB players, you will have to strike down Title IX and face the gender-equity crowd.

Why are so much against amateur athletics to promote academic and athletic progress for so many ?

Should the players then pay back a portion of their future earnings since it was the high level college program that got them noticed and on the track to being a high draft pick ? After all, the investment and risk is with the college.

 

[ulukinatme]

Oh man, Sarkisian pulls no punches here:

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5585786

Washington head coach Steve Sarkisian didn't mince words when asked about former USC running back Reggie Bush's decision to return the Heisman Trophy but not apologize.
"He had a chance to apologize, look like the good guy," Sarkisian told ESPN's Shelley Smith. "But in giving it back and not apologizing, he just looks like an idiot again."


Bush forfeited the legendary award Tuesday, but said Thursday that his decision was "not an admission of guilt," just the best way to end the controversy.
His decision came after an arduous summer in which Bush's former USC program was hit with numerous sanctions by the NCAA due to improper benefits Bush, his family and basketball O.J. Mayo received. The Heisman Trust had been debating whether to strip Bush of the award.

Sarkisian was part of the offensive staff at USC during 2005, the year Bush won the Heisman.
"No matter how much money he got paid, that didn't affect how we prepared," Sarkisian told Smith. "We weren't the best team in football because of what he or his parents took."

It's the first time college football's top award was returned by a recipient. One of the few guidelines given to Heisman Trophy voters is that a player must be in compliance with NCAA rules to be eligible for the trophy.

 

[buxfan4life]

I dunno....pretty damn close.

Agreed. It is an NFL farm system, just with a different mechanism for "pay".

It IS an NFL at the D-1A level and that's what makes the whole thing unfair in my opinion.

Really? Since when has the NFL sent players back to the schools for more development? Or called them up in the middle of a season to help out because of injuries and such?

Sorry, I don't feel you on this one. Are college sports a showcase where athletes can display their talents for a shot at the pros one day? Yes. In no way is it a type of farm system.

 

[Esoteria]

I say if it comes down to it, and we HAVE to pay certain players, you pull the scholarship.

Scholarships are for STUDENT athletes, money is for athletes. I don't see any problems making that distinction. I see no reason to give someone $200k to $300k in education, assistance, access to facilities not open to other students and then ALSO request more when you are already receiving more money in benefits than some NFL players. Then charge the players for access to benefits that would have been covered by the scholarship.

Easy peasy.

 

[Dryden]

You start paying players, then you have the whole "Whose gonna pay me more" shit starting and then recruiting becomes more like negotiating and free agency. The schools benefit, as do the other sports and athletes that are non-revenue. The satisfaction that, as a player, you are helping these other athletes as well as the school should suffice for the 3 or 4 years they are there. If not, well, then go pound sand.

This just in: Scott Boras has negotiated a $12M, 6 semester deal for Braxton Miller! :p

 

[scarletngray]

Cheaters....

 

[BuckeyeBill]

Really? Since when has the NFL sent players back to the schools for more development? Or called them up in the middle of a season to help out because of injuries and such?

Sorry, I don't feel you on this one. Are college sports a showcase where athletes can display developtheir talents for a shot at the pros one day? Yes. In no way is it a type of farm system.

Add the change and I agree. Very few kids come into college in any way ready to step up to the pro level. The development they receive, and hence the opportunity in the pro's, is what they get out of that college experience. Add in the free education, and I think they're getting a damn good deal.

 

[Magua]

It IS an NFL at the D-1A level and that's what makes the whole thing unfair in my opinion. You want to talk about it becoming more NFL like but, if you're a superstar recruit playing for a high level program like Ohio State or Alabama, you're basically treated like an NFL athlete. You sure are subjected to the same scrutiny. My issue with all this is the double standard. The NCAA is a-ok making hundreds of millions off of the big time programs these kids play at then scoff when said kids want a bigger piece of the pie that THEY themselves baked?

I say if you're not going compensate these kids for what they're worth to your program (and a full ride isn't going to cut it. I got a full ride to OSU and I'm pretty sure my contribution to the OSU revenue stream paled in comparison to Troy Smith or Terrelle Pryor) then at the very least the players should be able to hire an agent.

And once again, I already said that Reggie Bush should of been stripped of his Heisman because of the violation. And was he trying to deflect some of the blame with his comments? Probably, but that doesn't stop them from being any less valid.


What's wrong with athletes wanting more if they contribute more? Why is it wrong for Terrelle Pryor to ask for more when he's arguably the most important player on the team? And I didn't say anything about paying all Football players, just the ones like Reggie Bush who make a significant impact on the program. Another thing is that these kids barely have the time to get a good education because the majority of their time is spent at practice. These kids aren't being recruited to get a good education, they're there to play football and make the program money.

Obviously your mind is made up on this matter. I don't agree, or expect anything I say to change your opinion. Nothing good comes from paying these STUDENT athletes, and I will just leave it at that. It's my opinion, and hopefully it never changes.

 

[Mike80]

Paying players sounds nice and makes a good soundbite, but it would be the END of college athletics as we know it.

Most schools wouldn't be able to compete and most certainly some enterprising [strike]scumbag[/strike] lawyer would RIGHTLY challenge any program to pay football and basketball players on the basis of Title IX.

Not to mention the other issues with schools (and boosters) competing for players and attempting to influence kids who are barely old enough to drive to "their" school.

 

[Magua]

Paying players sounds nice and makes a good soundbite, but it would be the END of college athletics as we know it.

Most schools wouldn't be able to compete and most certainly some enterprising [strike]scumbag[/strike] lawyer would RIGHTLY challenge any program to pay football and basketball players on the basis of Title IX.

Not to mention the other issues with schools (and boosters) competing for players and attempting to influence kids who are barely old enough to drive to "their" school.

If you think recruiting is a shady business now, just imagine how fucking pathetic it would be if paying these kids was legal. Makes me gavommit.

 

[WolverineMike]

Bush karma? Gives back Heisman then breaks leg in next game. Out 6 weeks



ouch

 

[ulukinatme]

Bush karma? Gives back Heisman then breaks leg in next game. Out 6 weeks



ouch

Karma is right. Should have come clean when he returned it, instead of still clinging to some illusion of innocence.