NBA Discussion (Official Thread)

[jlb1705]

Just curious, if the NBA season is cancelled, which team gets the #1 pick (possibly the guy pictured below) in the draft next year?

I've heard that they'd do the lottery with the same ping pong balls as last time. (Hello, Cleveland!)

 

[y0yoyoin]

shit sucks for cities that rely on the money from games that are in dire need of income....Cleveland, Detroit, Milwaukee...but most importantly it sucks for people who play Fantasy Basketball every year!...but seriously i hope they get this figured out soon and make it so small market teams aren't losing money every single year...a salary cap so there will never be another wade, lebron, bosh team would be awesome too

 

[TooTall]

I've heard that they'd do the lottery with the same ping pong balls as last time. (Hello, Cleveland!)

In other words, let's just go ahead and cancel the season!

 

[TooTall]

[Mark May] sucks for cities that rely on the money from games that are in dire need of income....Cleveland, Detroit, Milwaukee...but most importantly it sucks for people who play Fantasy Basketball every year!...but seriously i hope they get this figured out soon and make it so small market teams aren't losing money every single year...a salary cap so there will never be another wade, lebron, bosh team would be awesome too

Wait... I think you have your priorities mixed up here. I'd say the most important issue is the massive amounts of money being lost while the NBA remains locked out.

 

[tsteele316]

I've heard that they'd do the lottery with the same ping pong balls as last time. (Hello, Cleveland!)

that is apparently not a possibility. the common thinking at this point is that there would either be a full 30 team lottery, with each team getting the same odds, or it would be a weighted average of the last 3-5 years worth of records like the nhl did.

basically, in any scenario in which the whole season is cancelled would screw the cavs in terms of draft slotting.

 

[Mike80]

FatMelo doesn't want his return to Denver canceled.

AWWWWWWWWWWW

 

[ScriptOhio]

Interesting draft concept:

If you wanted to extend Gladwell's idea even further, why not eliminate the draft altogether in 2012 in the event of a lost season? Declare every eligible incoming player a free agent and allow the market (and the restraints of the salary cap) to dictate where they land.

We often assume that small-market teams would get the shaft, but are we absolutely certain that Harrison Barnes would agree to take a minimum salary (for the sake of this exercise, let's say there's a "rookie minimum exception" of $2 million for teams with zero cap room) from the Lakers when Sacramento could back up the truck for his services and guarantee him the starting small forward position for years to come? Would a Jared Sullinger or Anthony Davis be willing to play out of position as a fourth option in Miami for millions less than he could earn in Indiana?

We don't know, but for a league that's grappling for a new financial model and examining issues like revenue sharing and competitive balance, it would be useful to find out.

In a draft-less world, rookies would be paid at market value and teams that have been frugal would have an advantage over those who have spent lavishly. Most incoming players would have to balance factors like dollars, touches and the allure of a marquee market. Which is more important: winning immediately or raking in an eight-figure contract before ever stepping foot on an NBA court? Better to play next to a top-five superstar or improve your chances that you can post a 20-point average as a rookie?

In other words, the best basketball talent coming out of Carolina and Kentucky would enter the workforce much like the best engineering talent coming out of MIT and Cal Tech. The rookies would get to choose where and for whom they want to work and for how much.

Entire article: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/31517/what-a-canceled-season-could-mean-for-the-draft

 

[jlb1705]

Interesting draft concept:

If you wanted to extend Gladwell's idea even further, why not eliminate the draft altogether in 2012 in the event of a lost season? Declare every eligible incoming player a free agent and allow the market (and the restraints of the salary cap) to dictate where they land.

We often assume that small-market teams would get the shaft, but are we absolutely certain that Harrison Barnes would agree to take a minimum salary (for the sake of this exercise, let's say there's a "rookie minimum exception" of $2 million for teams with zero cap room) from the Lakers when Sacramento could back up the truck for his services and guarantee him the starting small forward position for years to come? Would a Jared Sullinger or Anthony Davis be willing to play out of position as a fourth option in Miami for millions less than he could earn in Indiana?

We don't know, but for a league that's grappling for a new financial model and examining issues like revenue sharing and competitive balance, it would be useful to find out.

In a draft-less world, rookies would be paid at market value and teams that have been frugal would have an advantage over those who have spent lavishly. Most incoming players would have to balance factors like dollars, touches and the allure of a marquee market. Which is more important: winning immediately or raking in an eight-figure contract before ever stepping foot on an NBA court? Better to play next to a top-five superstar or improve your chances that you can post a 20-point average as a rookie?

In other words, the best basketball talent coming out of Carolina and Kentucky would enter the workforce much like the best engineering talent coming out of MIT and Cal Tech. The rookies would get to choose where and for whom they want to work and for how much.

Entire article: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/31517/what-a-canceled-season-could-mean-for-the-draft

That idea flies in the face of every reason the owners are locking out the players in the first place.

 

[tsteele316]

Interesting draft concept:

If you wanted to extend Gladwell's idea even further, why not eliminate the draft altogether in 2012 in the event of a lost season? Declare every eligible incoming player a free agent and allow the market (and the restraints of the salary cap) to dictate where they land.

We often assume that small-market teams would get the shaft, but are we absolutely certain that Harrison Barnes would agree to take a minimum salary (for the sake of this exercise, let's say there's a "rookie minimum exception" of $2 million for teams with zero cap room) from the Lakers when Sacramento could back up the truck for his services and guarantee him the starting small forward position for years to come? Would a Jared Sullinger or Anthony Davis be willing to play out of position as a fourth option in Miami for millions less than he could earn in Indiana?

We don't know, but for a league that's grappling for a new financial model and examining issues like revenue sharing and competitive balance, it would be useful to find out.

In a draft-less world, rookies would be paid at market value and teams that have been frugal would have an advantage over those who have spent lavishly. Most incoming players would have to balance factors like dollars, touches and the allure of a marquee market. Which is more important: winning immediately or raking in an eight-figure contract before ever stepping foot on an NBA court? Better to play next to a top-five superstar or improve your chances that you can post a 20-point average as a rookie?

In other words, the best basketball talent coming out of Carolina and Kentucky would enter the workforce much like the best engineering talent coming out of MIT and Cal Tech. The rookies would get to choose where and for whom they want to work and for how much.

Entire article: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/31517/what-a-canceled-season-could-mean-for-the-draft

an idea this dumb could only come from an espn article. rookies would line up to play in marquee cities, play on short contracts, then have the team's use bird's rights to sign them to massive contracts. these players are already slotted by the rookie wage scale. they'd have no problem taking that same "pittance" in order to play in LA or NY.

 

[Mike80]

Come on players union!! Fight for all you can possibly get!! Stick it out

 

[OH10]

ESPN has been waging a public relations war against owners of small market teams. TrueHoop released another article today claiming there is competitive balance - which is utter bullshit.

Dan Gilbert spent a lot of money when Lebron was in Cleveland because he could. Because the Cavs were competitive. Because the Q was selling out. Because merchandise was flying off the shelves. Because he needed to show Lebron he would spend to keep him there.

What happened? The Cavs still couldn't recruit any big-time free agents. No one wanted to come play in Cleveland - unless they were going to be way overpaid (Larry Hughes). And it screwed Cleveland in the end.

Now the Cavs need to brace themselves and prepare for crowds/revenue at the pre-LBJ levels - which was atrocious. They'll need increased revenue sharing and a hard cap to have any hope to getting competitive again.

After all, the next Lebron isn't coming through that door. And if he does, he'll probably just walk right back out when he gets the chance.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Now it seems the players are threatening decertification of the union and an antitrust lawsuit if they don't get at least a 52% rev share.


That's like me telling Jessica Alba that if she doesn't hurry up and give me a slice I'm going to quit asking.

 

[TooTall]

Now it seems the players are threatening decertification of the union and an antitrust lawsuit if they don't get at least a 52% rev share.


That's like me telling Jessica Alba that if she doesn't hurry up and give me a slice I'm going to quit asking.

Eh, at this point in the lockout... It's either the Players decertify (ala NFL Players Union), or sit in more mediation meetings that seem to have gotten no where.

 

[jlb1705]

Now it seems the players are threatening decertification of the union and an antitrust lawsuit if they don't get at least a 52% rev share.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Eh, at this point in the lockout... It's either the Players decertify (ala NFL Players Union), or sit in more mediation meetings that seem to have gotten no where.

Thats the biggest problem I see from afar, the players still seem to be suffering under the impression that this could possibly go somewhere.

The owners have them by the balls, they are perfectly content to punt the season. The players union will break and eventually take a number south of 50-50.

NBAPU needs to take a lesson from the wise seal pup